Hello there. I was checking to see if the "friend to animals* revelation for a nature oracle would apply to a druid in animal form.
More so, would it apply to an oracle who was also a druid and in animal form(so to him/herself.)
It seems as if it would, since it doesn't say "other" animals, but I know rules can sometimes be weird.
Thank you for any help!
P.S. I would add links, ECT, but I am on my phone right now so I can't.
No, a druid is not an animal. Unless it happens to be an animal druid, such as an Awakened Deer Druid.
A human druid in the shape of a deer is still a human, not an animal.
*Note that wild shape does not change your creature type.
I didn't think to mention this, but we have always ruled that polymorph effects do change the type here. Because in all seriousness, Pazio messed up on that one. (think about becoming a bear. The spell gives you the exact body as a bear, blood and all, so there is no possible reason that a poison that only effects bears shouldn't work on it because it is "officially" a human, because the bear body would still be affected.
So, knowing that, what do you think?
Or if it makes it easier we can just use a 20th level nature oracle who used the final revelation to become animal type.
And thank you for the reply.
No creature with an Intelligence score of 3 or higher can be an animal.
shumatsu wrote: I didn't think to mention this, but we have always ruled that polymorph effects do change the type here. Because in all seriousness, Pazio messed up on that one. (think about becoming a bear. The spell gives you the exact body as a bear, blood and all, so there is no possible reason that a poison that only effects bears shouldn't work on it because it is "officially" a human, because the bear body would still be affected.
So, knowing that, what do you think?
Or if it makes it easier we can just use a 20th level nature oracle who used the final revelation to become animal type.
And thank you for the reply.
If that houserule is in effect, then yes. The reason pathfinder doesn't apply this normally is for simplicitys sake.
shumatsu wrote: I didn't think to mention this, but we have always ruled that polymorph effects do change the type here. Because in all seriousness, Pazio messed up on that one. (think about becoming a bear. The spell gives you the exact body as a bear, blood and all, so there is no possible reason that a poison that only effects bears shouldn't work on it because it is "officially" a human, because the bear body would still be affected. No it doesn't.
Quote: Polymorph: A polymorph spell transforms your physical body to take on the shape of another creature. While these spells make you appear to be the creature, granting you a +10 bonus on Disguise skill checks, they do not grant you all of the abilities and powers of the creature. Each polymorph spell allows you to assume the form of a creature of a specific type, granting you a number of bonuses to your ability scores and a bonus to your natural armor. You may look like a bear and have some of the abilities of a bear, but you are not a bear. You do not get the exact abilities of a bear, you get lesser ones. If you actually became a bear, you would have the bears exact stats, not get a bonus to yours.
That being said, if a polymorph effect changed your type to animal (and by the rules, it doesn't), then yes the druid would receive the bonus.
Thank you. I though since it didn't exclude self like many area effects it would work, but I wasn't sure.
I get that it makes it kind of simpler, but at the same time it makes absolutely no sense from a game play perspective, so that is why we do it.
For clarification I'm not trying to power fame or anything. My group just got super lucky on rolls against the last druid fight, called them weak, and asked me to give them a real challenge. :)
In that case you can use the 3.5 druid polymorph rules but be aware of what you are about to unleash if you do so. :)
No it doesn't.
Quote: Polymorph: A polymorph spell transforms your physical body to take on the shape of another creature. While these spells make you appear to be the creature, granting you a +10 bonus on Disguise skill checks, they do not grant you all of the abilities and powers of the creature. Each polymorph spell allows you to assume the form of a creature of a specific type, granting you a number of bonuses to your ability scores and a bonus to your natural armor. You may look like a bear and have some of the abilities of a bear, but you are not a bear. You do not get the exact abilities of a bear, you get lesser ones. If you actually became a bear, you would have the bears exact stats, not get a bonus to yours.
That being said, if a polymorph effect changed your type to animal (and by the rules, it doesn't), then yes the druid would receive the bonus. We have always just seen it as turning into the form, but only the form as strong as you are, which explains the weaker stats and not getting all of the abilities, because the one transforming is still the physical attributes that can be applied to the new form. It just makes more sense to us than, say, being a huge human walking on all fours with some fur and claws.
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wraithstrike wrote: In that case you can use the 3.5 druid polymorph rules but be aware of what you are about to unleash if you do so. :) Oh... NEVER. Lol. We still use the characters stats, it just makes sense the the spell transforms you, but only as strong as you can be. (with the spell modifiers of course, because it is magic) We will never be dealing with low stat characters turning into superpowers.
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