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The release of the Card Caster class prompted me to search for throwing weapons with an 18-20 crit range. This lead me to the Crystal Chakram from Classic Horrors Revisited.
Cost- 20gp
Dmg (S)- 1d4
DMG (M)- 1d6
Critical Range- 18-20/x2
Range- -
Weight- 2lbs.
Type- S
Source- CHR
Benefit: When a crystal chakram strikes a foe, the weapon shatters into tiny sharp fragments; if it misses, there is a 50% chance the chakram shatters when it hits the ground or another solid object; otherwise it can be retrieved and used again.
Special: A crystal chakram is treated as ammunition for the purpose of creating magic weapons.
18-20 advantages, can be treated as ammunition; it's quite interesting. Key issue is that despite being a 'circular throwing disk' and in the 'Ranged Weapon' section, it lacks a range, and thus by RAW has to be a melee weapon.
Would you grant this weapon the range of a Chakram? Would that also give it the crit range of a Chakram? Exactly how cheesy would it be to show up for a game with this weapon, with this weapon with the Chakram's range?
'Classic Horrors Revisited' isn't the authoritative source that Ultimate Equipment is; for a weapon with a uniquely awesome property to show up within it recalls bloatbooks from 3.5e I gather.
Doesn't seem cheesy to me really. Would probably go with a chakram. FAQd though.
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'Classic Horrors Revisited' isn't the authoritative source that Ultimate Equipment is; for a weapon with a uniquely awesome property to show up within it recalls bloatbooks from 3.5e I gather.
If you mean "uniquely awesome" because it can be enchanted, I don't see how it's any more powerful than enchanting ammunition since it is consumable (it breaks on contact).
More that it is the ONLY thrown weapon with an 18-20 crit range.
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'Classic Horrors Revisited' isn't the authoritative source that Ultimate Equipment is; for a weapon with a uniquely awesome property to show up within it recalls bloatbooks from 3.5e I gather.
It shatters on impact, unlike a normal Chakram.
Shaped and carved from quartz or stranger subterranean crystals, these circular throwing discs have jagged razor-sharp edges. When a crystal chakram strikes a foe, the weapon shatters into tiny sharp fragments; if it misses, there is a 50% chance the chakram shatters when it hits the ground or another solid object; otherwise it can be retrieved and used again. A crystal chakram is treated as ammunition for the purpose of creating magic weapons.
While you treat the crystal chakram as ammo for purposes of enchanting, they still weigh 2 lbs each, or 100 lbs for a "full stack."
Yep the 20gp cost could get irritating.
Couldn't you buy a wand of mending? Or if you're a caster, cast it on the broken pieces and repair it?
Or craft them myself for half price.
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Couldn't you buy a wand of mending? Or if you're a caster, cast it on the broken pieces and repair it?
Exactly how many HP of damage did the charam suffer when it fragmented into thousands of pieces?
Assuming you can find ALL the shards, you will need to repair 50% of that unspecified damage.
Or craft them myself for half price.
Assuming down time not used for something more productive and the ability to carry hundreds of pound of ammo...
...Your quick draw, dual wielding, chakram throwing is only spending 40 - 60 gp per round of combat.
He also has to enchant his ammo, instead of the much less expensive option of enchanting his bow and using mundane ammo. Don't think your ever going to be able to use special materials. No cold iron, silver or admantine for you.
Just be careful, good things don't tend to happen when you live and die by the crystals. :P
Another difficulty is that they weigh 2lbs each. If you decide to pick up Rapid Shot and Multi-Shot, you're fast going to run into difficulties...
Regular Chakram weight is 1lb. I'm thinking protocol for using these is to beg the GM for mercy.
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I suspect, given that the material is presumably responsible for the 'shattering' effect, they cannot be made of special materials without essentially turning them into normal chakrams, as another material wouldn't share the same properties that result in shattering.
That said, whilst it's a stretch RAW it doesn't say you can't change the material so I suppose you could do so, personally as a GM I would say no, but I could see it being argued you can by RAW.
A Longsword is made of steel, but could also be Mithral, Cold Iron, Adamanitine, etc.
Every item has a material descriptor. A normal longsword is made of steel so it is a [steel] longsword. Same for [mithral] longsword or [adamantine] longsword. Can you create a mithral adamantine longsword? No. Can you create a crystal adamantine chakram? No.
What happens if you choose a Crystal Chakram as your Blackblade?
The item breaks if you hit (100%) or miss (50%). The unbreakable ability dont prevents this because it breaks completly.
Do it but it is a really bad choice.
Come on BBT give us some more 'What happens ..' questions.
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A Longsword is made of steel, but could also be Mithral, Cold Iron, Adamanitine, etc.Every item has a material descriptor. A normal longsword is made of steel so it is a [steel] longsword. Same for [mithral] longsword or [adamantine] longsword. Can you create a mithral adamantine longsword? No. Can you create a crystal adamantine chakram? No.
What happens if you choose a Crystal Chakram as your Blackblade?
The item breaks if you hit (100%) or miss (50%). The unbreakable ability dont prevents this because it breaks completly.
Do it but it is a really bad choice.
Come on BBT give us some more 'What happens ..' questions.
There is nothing that make the Crystal Chakram an exception to the rules for special materials. The Tepoztopilli is usually made from Obsidian, Glass, or Teeth, but can still be made of other special materials.
The Crystal Chakram also never notes it instantly gains the destroyed condition upon use. The Unbreakable property should protect it.
It should, at least, be considered.
As a ranged weapon, surely a Crystal Chakram is inadmissable as a potential Black Blade.
The Crystal Chakram is a ranged weapon, which makes no distinction between two-handed or one-handed. It also makes no mention of the capacity of using it as a melee weapon. This is contrasted with a Dagger which has a Range but is a Light weapon, and thus can be used both as a ranged thrown weapon and as a melee weapon.
Depends how much of the Chakram's text carries over, which depends on your GM, I reckon.
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Another question, is if they can be made of Special Materials.The material is specified.
Shaped and carved from quartz or stranger subterranean crystals.You miss the entire point of the question.
A Longsword is made of steel, but could also be Mithral, Cold Iron, Adamanitine, etc.
No, I did not.
Crystal chakram are, by definition, made of crystal. They are not made of mithral, cold iron, or adamanitine.
What happens if you choose a Crystal Chakram as your Blackblade?
It gains the destroyed condition every time you hit anything with it.
You must then repair it using the Black Blade rules.
*unlike a normal chakram, the crystal chakram is not listed as a one-hand melee weapon.