You mean who the new Goddess of Thunder is.
That was my first thought, but at this point I'll just accept that I don't 'get' Marvel's "Thor" at all, so taking him (her) further away from the mythology he's based on might make it less confusing for those of us who read norse mythology long before we heard about Marvel. Which is a good thing.
"Thor is a woman!" is still a silly statement, But I won't even begin to guess whether that's how the hammer works in Marvel "Thor".
That said, I'm all for super-strong heroines, so it could be a very interesting character. Especially if she turns out to be "a wielder of Mjolnir" and not "literally Thor".
(but now that they are changing the shape of Thor's boobs, how about changing the "brick on a stick" look for Mjolnir too? That bothers me much more than Thor's testosterone levels. :p)
To all you people complaining. You are the worst.
This is a great springboard for stories, and Classic Thor will still exist in the title: "The Unworthy Thor".
Captain America is going to be replaced by Sam Wilson, and the next year or two of Marvel will be about legacies and eventually the precious status-quo will be restored. Can people not just enjoy the stories as they are told without moaning?
Maybe there isn't anything there to enjoy? I haven't even been reading Marvel comics because they don't tell good stories in the first place. This isn't suddenly going to change that.
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I would be surprised if they don't already have a plan to bring back the original Thor, given that they seem to have put at least some effort into making both this transition and the Captain America one seem natural.I recon it will last till either the 3rd Thor film or Third Avengers.Maybe. It might not be reflected in the movies at all.
That may depend on how it's received.
What I meant was since the marvel films started when anything bad/big change happens to them they always change back in time for the next movie
Exampes include
Captain America (Steve rogers) being dead
Thor being dead
the big three of the avengers refusing to work with each other ever again
Spiderman (Peter parker) being essentially dead and replaced with Doc ock.
For a while in the comics the xmen wearing there movie version of costumes (Admitadly they dont really let the movies influence x-men comics anymore)
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Maybe there isn't anything there to enjoy? I haven't even been reading Marvel comics because they don't tell good stories in the first place. This isn't suddenly going to change that.To all you people complaining. You are the worst.
This is a great springboard for stories, and Classic Thor will still exist in the title: "The Unworthy Thor".
Captain America is going to be replaced by Sam Wilson, and the next year or two of Marvel will be about legacies and eventually the precious status-quo will be restored. Can people not just enjoy the stories as they are told without moaning?
I kinda wish William S. Burroughs would do a comic book and make Thor female because then it would be worth reading. Or, maybe Alan Moore, since he's alive and all.
Otherwise, I get the feeling that it's just "hey! look! Marvel made Thor a woman; aren't we sooooooo groovy? Now look at DC.....the whole JLA is a Meat Locker. Wow; they sure are misogynists. Poor Wonder Person."
If the story's good, the thing redeems itself and it doesn't matter.
I like Rat Queens i.e. a DnD group of women who have a Fafhrd/Grey Mauser mentality but they aren't dudes. I liked the Authority i.e. a bunch of crazy "heroes" with a gay Superman and Batman ripoff, but hey the stories were awesome. Yay. Superman's (Apollo) gay. Batman's (Midnighter) gay. I don't give a s@&! one way or the other, but the story and art were awesome. They killed the Avengers, they killed the X Men; it was awesome!!! The thing didn't try to rest on the crux of "wow; we have a gay Superman/Batman; aren't we so f$$%ing snazzy?"
It's actually really awesome when this kind of affirmitave action for fictional characters deal doesn't end up being a snorefest.
Side bet: 1-2 months afterwards.
the big three of the avengers refusing to work with each other ever again
Possible. They may let it influence the timing.
Even without the movies, none of those were going to be permanent (Well maybe the Avengers, I missed that one, but I doubt it.)
I dont know where he got that Avengers thing from either and I've been reading the main Avengers books (AVENGERS and NEW AVENGERS) consistently for maybe about 10 years now.
He might be talking about Steve being mad at Tony for inadvertently setting the stage for Norman Osbourne to take over SHIELD or Tony's involvement in the superhero Civil War. And Thor was pissed at Tony for making a clone of Thor and using that clone to fight (and in one case murder) their friends during and after the Superhero Civil War.
Whatever beefs they had with one another were settled during the Avengers: Prime mini series.
Of course more recently Tony (and few others) have gone and done something else pretty bad to piss off Steve...
Tom Brevoort calls out the naysayers who think the changes will revert by the time these characters next movies come out...
I will bet him ten times that that Thor won't be played by a woman in Age of Ultron.
Tom Brevoort calls out the naysayers who think the changes will revert by the time these characters next movies come out...I will bet him ten times that that Thor won't be played by a woman in Age of Ultron.
But, I wonder ...
When Chris Hemsworth completes his contract, MARVEL is going to keep using the THOR character.
... will they have the current THOR hand off the hammer to a woman?
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I like this take on i the most I think:
"A whole bunch of little kids can now play as Cap or Thor without weird looks, so maybe it’s not all about how bitter you are this time?"
— Writer and artist Jason Latour, Wolverine and the X-Men, Edge of Spider-Verse, Southern Bastards, The Winter Soldier
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I like this take on i the most I think:
"A whole bunch of little kids can now play as Cap or Thor without weird looks, so maybe it’s not all about how bitter you are this time?"
— Writer and artist Jason Latour, Wolverine and the X-Men, Edge of Spider-Verse, Southern Bastards, The Winter Soldier
And that's fantastic and you might even have a hard time finding that many people who disagree with how awesome that is!
But the downside is that instead of just GIVING people something, they're also taking away something. Why not two hammers? Two Thor's? Two people possessing his gifts? They once talked, I believe, that the hammer just helps Thor channel his powers now and it's pretty much all him. If that's so, someone else getting the hammer shouldn't take his Thunder God status away ... but it's being talked up like it will so we'll see. If it does, you're taking away from the people that enjoy the stories of Thunder God Thor Version 1 for whatever version we're on now for this one. It sucks for me a bit as I just started reading Thor with God of Thunder series, getting into the character because of the movies and I've adored it all. I pick up all of like 2 to 3 comics a month for myself and that was one, dropping Wolverine (Thor and Wolverine are now tied for favorites) due to the whole hype of "LETS KILL WOLVERINE CAUSE WE CAN!! WOOOHOOO!!!"
And here's something that bothers me and worries me over the future Thor comic that's focusing on THOR Thor (as in, the actual son of Odin). He does something ... screws up ... and is not worthy.
If Thor screws up bad enough that he's not worthy of the hammer? That scares the CRAP out of me. I like reading about heroes being heroic and selfless acts and all that stuff. Thor's pretty great with that while also being a character that feels very fantasy in a modern world which I adore. However, if he does something that screws him up with the hammer and it stays that way, it kind of seems like he'd have to stay in a darker path ... so I'm out. I don't want to read about that. Which means I'm out all together. It's not my job to jump through whatever hoops some company decides for me who says "deal with it" when I can simply stop reading until the stories I like come back (I hope). Same thing goes with Captain America even though I have less vested interest in that character. The Winter Soldier made me respect the Falcon hard core and Anthony Mackie was amazing. Would absolutely LOVE to see him as Captain America and putting on the costume.
... but did you really have to take away Steve Rogers to make that happen? I guess they think "yes" so it's a natural transition of sorts; a passing of the mantle. But for the people that wanted to keep reading about Steve Rogers in some manner, it's probably depressing. At least when Bucky was Captain America at the end, they both existed (when Cap came back from the time traveling bullet or whatever that was).
I'm keeping an eye on Thor to see what happens and see if I want to continue forward, so I'm buying month by month now and no longer just have it in my box. If I see something that seems forced or happen to be right about the fall of Thor and him staying darker then I just walk away and stay out of Marvel for a bit.
TLDR; I like new things but I don't see the point of taking away other things people like to make it happen. Their all made up stories anyway so I know there's a way to create new characters in these roles without hurting the old ones.
... will they have the current THOR hand off the hammer to a woman?
Clearly, Kat Dennings' Darcy should be the woman to inherit the mighty Mew-Mew.
I wonder who the first villain will be to look at her and exclaim "You're a real THOR, you know that honey?"
I like this take on i the most I think:
"A whole bunch of little kids can now play as Cap or Thor without weird looks, so maybe it’s not all about how bitter you are this time?"
— Writer and artist Jason Latour, Wolverine and the X-Men, Edge of Spider-Verse, Southern Bastards, The Winter Soldier
I don't get it.
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I don't get it.I like this take on i the most I think:
"A whole bunch of little kids can now play as Cap or Thor without weird looks, so maybe it’s not all about how bitter you are this time?"
— Writer and artist Jason Latour, Wolverine and the X-Men, Edge of Spider-Verse, Southern Bastards, The Winter Soldier
It basically means "we're being politically correct and therefore you don't get to complain".
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Thor from the Earth X storyline was female. As I recall, Thor was made female in that continuity as a punishment from Odin, who was somehow still foolish enough to believe anything Loki said.
THANK YOU! Everywhere I see this discussion, no one seems to remember this!
For those needing a visual reference on the point... click here.This isn't even new, they just did the same thing recently by promoting Ms. Marvel to Captain Marvel. Which I might add wasn't just a title, the alien being who was originally Captain Marvel was so named because his name was Mar-vell. Meanwhile, the name Ms. Marvel was then handed off to a new character.
On the other hand, I don't mind either one bit.
Again illustrating how this is entirely not a wholly original idea. And I don't think it makes it bad... it's just not worthy of mass hysteria given we've already seen the actual Odinson and Loki both portrayed as a women in the past.
I brought this thought up elsewhere as well... on the point some have made about "why not just elevate an existing female character to her own title without making her "Thor."Female counterparts to male heroes have been around a long time. (Though oddly not so much male counterparts to female heroines.)
But the truth is most female heroines who are NOT named after or similarly to a previously or currently known male hero, do not do entirely well as ongoing titles except in rare cases. If the current title Ms. Marvel were called anything else, I honestly don't think it would get the attention it has, despite its diversity and story. Likewise, I feel pretty confident that if the upcoming Thor title were to be called "Angela" or "Frigg" instead of "Thor" it would gain little traction or attention. (Which is kind of interesting when you consider Thor's first appearance in Marvel Comics was in a female-led title called Venus in the late 40's. But that also only lasted about a year and a half.)
So in that, yes, it seems obvious that as a ongoing exercise of marketing product it could be that it serves Marvel better to do it this way.
But they want to tell the story and have it read. And I can see the argument some have about it being a stunt. To some degree everything done to sell a book is such. That is any comic company's overall objective of course, but Marvel has traditionally done so from a stand of writing the story first and letting the PR work it self out after that, not so much the other way around (unlike DC,) so I lean toward giving them the benefit of the doubt here.
After all, even as a female, the old joke is just as funny:
The thunder god went for a ride
Upon her favorite filly.
"I'm Thor!" she cried,
And her horse replied,
"You forgot your thaddle, thilly."
Captain Marvel was at least a Marvel creation and not a ripoff from ancient mythology with a lot of stories existing that Marvel had no part of. And they at least changed the name in that instance as well. Plus, at the time they did it, he wasn't all that major a character, so the fans pissed off were comparatively few. None of those circumstances apply here. Thor has joined the ranks of recognizable characters, so the number of fans they can piss off is greater, and the only thing they are changing is the gender as far as we know. The powers, the name, the hammer, everything else is staying the same, rendering that one change a silly gimmick that benefits no one.
And for the female counterpart of Thor, they could have taken any one of the female characters from the exact same mythology, have basically the same level of name recognition, and not have it feel superly cheesy by having to rip off Thor's name.
I'm just disappointed that Marvel gave into the easy gimmick of keeping the name while changing other key details in an effort to build a new character. Establishing characters of any stripe has never been easy, but it's like they aren't even trying anymore, and are content to twist and bend existing characters knowing full well that in a year or so, the new character will probably be thrown out anyway because it doesn't get the traction they want from new readers and old readers just want the original character back.
Captain Marvel was at least a Marvel creation and not a ripoff from ancient mythology with a lot of stories existing that Marvel had no part of.
This is how I imagine femThor. :p
Also, I wouldn't really consider MarvelThor to be a ripoff of the Thor from mythology. They don't even have hair colour in common. This is also why I don't really have much of a say in this. I could go "...but the hammer doesn't work like that" except, you know, I have no idea if it does for MarvelThor.
Mythologically speaking, I could see a plot go something like "Thor has gone missing! While the gods' squabble and waste time discussing what to do about it, Thor's daughter takes matters into her own hands, claim the mantle of God of Thunder and goes to search for her father." (Possible edited to be less cliché, but this is a comic book we're talking about).
Incidentally, this was also roughly the entire meta-plot of City of Heroes. :)
Also, I wouldn't really consider MarvelThor to be a ripoff of the Thor from mythology. They don't even have hair colour in common. This is also why I don't really have much of a say in this. I could go "...but the hammer doesn't work like that" except, you know, I have no idea if it does for MarvelThor.
The problem is that a lot of the audience they are trying to grab may very well be more familiar with Thor the Norse God, not Thor the Marvel Superhero, whose backstory happens to include being a Asgardian. This is where it just doesn't work for me, and wont' work for a lot of people.
Those who are familiar with, and accept, Thor the Norse God, are not going to find it any easier to get into the character because they made Thor a female, and are likely to be turned off by the seemingly random and entirely political correct nature of trying to use an established male character's name for a female character on a story that may or may not end up being decent.
Those who are familiar with, and accept, Thor the Marvel superhero, are likely going to be fine with everything up to retaining the name, at which point, they are going to wonder why they didn't just create a new character for those that wanted that particular twist, and leave the old character alone for those that were enjoying the old character.
In the end, it just comes off as a bit too much for a lot of people. Captain America most people who really care will accept at least for a short time because they are utilizing already existing characters and a reasonable assumptions already largely present within the Captain America story. It's a change, but it doesn't fundamentally change the core story, and the changes that are being made are acknowledged (such as incorporating elements of the old persona into the new costume). With Thor, though, they seem to be trying to make fundamental changes to the character concept without being willing to openly acknowledge the full impact of the changes. That is what ultimately seems to be the major sticking point I'm seeing in the reactions against it. It just comes across as an uncomfortable way of trying to feed off the status quo while trying to fundamentally change it at the same time.
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Captain Marvel was at least a Marvel creation and not a ripoff from ancient mythology with a lot of stories existing that Marvel had no part of.This is how I imagine femThor. :p
Also, I wouldn't really consider MarvelThor to be a ripoff of the Thor from mythology. They don't even have hair colour in common. This is also why I don't really have much of a say in this. I could go "...but the hammer doesn't work like that" except, you know, I have no idea if it does for MarvelThor.
Mythologically speaking, I could see a plot go something like "Thor has gone missing! While the gods' squabble and waste time discussing what to do about it, Thor's daughter takes matters into her own hands, claim the mantle of God of Thunder and goes to search for her father." (Possible edited to be less cliché, but this is a comic book we're talking about).
Incidentally, this was also roughly the entire meta-plot of City of Heroes. :)
Thrud Goddess of Thunder!
Or Pruor if you prefer.
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the big three of the avengers refusing to work with each other ever again
Possible. They may let it influence the timing.
Even without the movies, none of those were going to be permanent (Well maybe the Avengers, I missed that one, but I doubt it.)
I dont know where he got that Avengers thing from either and I've been reading the main Avengers books (AVENGERS and NEW AVENGERS) consistently for maybe about 10 years now.
He might be talking about Steve being mad at Tony for inadvertently setting the stage for Norman Osbourne to take over SHIELD or Tony's involvement in the superhero Civil War. And Thor was pissed at Tony for making a clone of Thor and using that clone to fight (and in one case murder) their friends during and after the Superhero Civil War.
Whatever beefs they had with one another were settled during the Avengers: Prime mini series.
Of course more recently Tony (and few others) have gone and done something else pretty bad to piss off Steve...
Yeah mostly talking about all the stuff that happend during civil war.
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The powers, the name, the hammer, everything else is staying the same, rendering that one change a silly gimmick that benefits no one.
Um? Excuse me? It benefits young girls who could use more role models. And if what they are doing is a little deliberately sensational then who cares? You should applaud their efforts to revive a dying industry by drawing in new readers. Thor sells 45 thousand comics... any other industry would have given up on such a low rate of consumption. Think about that a second 45k versus the millions of people who still read comics. Clearly he isn't on more than a tiny fraction of pull lists. If this more than doubles his sagging sales and the writing/art can hold the new readers then I predict the female Thor will be a long term addition to the Marvel line up. Who knows if enough of the old Thor readers like the new Thor then people may forget the poorly read old male version all together.
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It basically means "we're being politically correct and therefore you don't get to complain".I don't get it.I like this take on i the most I think:
"A whole bunch of little kids can now play as Cap or Thor without weird looks, so maybe it’s not all about how bitter you are this time?"
— Writer and artist Jason Latour, Wolverine and the X-Men, Edge of Spider-Verse, Southern Bastards, The Winter Soldier
See, I took it as maybe look at how something like this impacts something other than yourself and really try not to be jerks about it.
That's how I saw it. I could be wrong though.
Listen, I'm guessing I'm one of the few people in this thread who is actually supporting and reading these books and have been for a long time.
I'm also a black male neck deep in what are inarguably white male hobbies. I'm 42 going on 43 and have been reading and collecting comics since I was 6-7 years old.
So yes, seeing some one representative of me, of my son in a prominent title and not just as a co-star or sidekick I think is GREAT. My 12 year old just LOVED Winter Soldier thought it was GREAT. And I'm a HUGE Cap fan.
I hear the terms "political correctness" being thrown around every time one of these things happens, every time some editor or creator gets it in his head that maybe, just maybe we should spotlight someone other than a white male. All the old "political correctness" argument means to me is this: We don't want to see you. Get your own characters. Leave ours alone. Because, we all know how open comic book fans are to "new" characters and new ideas. As evidenced by the reaction to the two announcements last week.
I get the arguments for these things being temporary. That I DO understand. I get the arguments for this stuff seeming gimmicky. I get most of the other arguments that don't have to do with people being upset about a female Thor or a Black Falcon (NEW HERO!). I've been reading comics for over 35 years now, BELIEVE ME I get it.
I'm already reading both of those books and Remender and Aaron are doing a solid job of weaving the tales of these characters. Bucky Cap was around for a few years before Steve returned and it was almost another year after that that Steve reclaimed the Shield. But in that time we got some GREAT stories with Bucky AS Cap. I want to see where Sam Wilson as Cap goes. I want to see where this new Thor takes us and who she is. (I have my suspicions (someone introduced earlier in the run. during the Godbomb arc in particular) and it's not who Freehold DM aluded to upthread. They already said it's not her) as to her identity.
I love comics. I like talking about what I think is awesome about the things that I love.
I love comics, RPG's and movies.
The fandom?
NOT SO MUCH.
I'm tempted to take him up on that $100. I'm sorry I just don't see how they won't revert this in time for the movie. If they want to cash in on potential new readers that the movie could bring in then they need the characters to be recognizable.
Besides, just looking at Iron Man's new silver armor I can already feel the story that does it. I mean look at that suit, it practically screams Ultron. It's perfect to set up the return to status quo intime for the movie with an Ultron story
The powers, the name, the hammer, everything else is staying the same, rendering that one change a silly gimmick that benefits no one.Um? Excuse me? It benefits young girls who could use more role models. And if what they are doing is a little deliberately sensational then who cares? You should applaud their efforts to revive a dying industry by drawing in new readers. Thor sells 45 thousand comics... any other industry would have given up on such a low rate of consumption. Think about that a second 45k versus the millions of people who still read comics. Clearly he isn't on more than a tiny fraction of pull lists. If this more than doubles his sagging sales and the writing/art can hold the new readers then I predict the female Thor will be a long term addition to the Marvel line up. Who knows if enough of the old Thor readers like the new Thor then people may forget the poorly read old male version all together.
It would be far, far better if Sif got her own comic, or if someone else just got Thor's hammer for a while. Turning Thor into a woman is a bit...strange.
Didn't she have her own comic for a while? I know the warriors three had a mini series.
It basically means "we're being politically correct and therefore you don't get to complain".I don't get it.I like this take on i the most I think:
"A whole bunch of little kids can now play as Cap or Thor without weird looks, so maybe it’s not all about how bitter you are this time?"
— Writer and artist Jason Latour, Wolverine and the X-Men, Edge of Spider-Verse, Southern Bastards, The Winter Soldier
See, I took it as maybe look at how something like this impacts something other than yourself and really try not to be jerks about it.
That's how I saw it. I could be wrong though.
Listen, I'm guessing I'm one of the few people in this thread who is actually supporting and reading these books and have been for a long time.
I'm also a black male neck deep in what are inarguably white male hobbies. I'm 42 going on 43 and have been reading and collecting comics since I was 6-7 years old.So yes, seeing some one representative of me, of my son in a prominent title and not just as a co-star or sidekick I think is GREAT. My 12 year old just LOVED Winter Soldier thought it was GREAT. And I'm a HUGE Cap fan.
But Falcon WAS a sidekick in that movie. One with awesome scenes, but still a sidekick. Maybe the sidekick thing is something that needs to change.
I hear the terms "political correctness" being thrown around every time one of these things happens, every time some editor or creator gets it in his head that maybe, just maybe we should spotlight someone other than a white male. All the old "political correctness" argument means to me is this: We don't want to see you. Get your own characters. Leave ours alone. Because, we all know how open comic book fans are to "new" characters and new ideas. As evidenced by the reaction to the two announcements last week.
I get the arguments for these things being temporary. That I DO understand. I get the arguments for this stuff seeming gimmicky. I get most of the other arguments that don't have to do with people being upset about a female Thor or a Black Falcon (NEW HERO!). I've been reading comics for over 35 years now, BELIEVE ME I get it.
I'm already reading both of those books and Remender and Aaron are doing a solid job of weaving the tales of these characters. Bucky Cap was around for a few years before Steve returned and it was almost another year after that that Steve reclaimed the Shield. But in that time we got some GREAT stories with Bucky AS Cap. I want to see where Sam Wilson as Cap goes. I want to see where this new Thor takes us and who she is. (I have my suspicions (someone introduced earlier in the run. during the Godbomb arc in particular) and it's not who Freehold DM aluded to upthread. They already said it's not her) as to her identity.
I love comics. I like talking about what I think is awesome about the things that I love.
I love comics, RPG's and movies.
The fandom?
NOT SO MUCH.
We'll see. I'm leaning towards the person I stated earlier.
I'm interested in Falcon as Cap. I have no problem with someone else being Cap. I loved US Agent before he became a *complete* jerk. But whatever happened to Battlestar? I mean his appearance in comics beats the Origin story by more than a decade, and he's as black as the inside of a fist. Bring back Battlestar, I say. And Demolition Man! And VANGUARD!!!!
You realize that Ultron is the vilian in the next avengers movie, right? And that instead of being a creation of Hank Pym, Ultron will now be a suit of Tony's armor that becomes sentient.
Also, there is a bit of internet rumor going around that Angela will be in the Avengers movie.
Basically an evil Jarvis, right?
I'm interested in Falcon as Cap. I have no problem with someone else being Cap. I loved US Agent before he became a *complete* jerk. But whatever happened to Battlestar? I mean his appearance in comics beats the Origin story by more than a decade, and he's as black as the inside of a fist. Bring back Battlestar, I say. And Demolition Man! And VANGUARD!!!!Wasn't US Agent originally the fascist "Captain America IV" who with his Bucky spent some time in a freezing tube before getting his clock cleaned by Steve Rogers?
No, IIRC, he was an American zealot, but not a fascist. I think that was the Cap that went crazy because of the incorrect process used to make him a super soldier.
Personally, I'm not thrilled that someone else is Captain America. But honestly, I felt the exact same way when Bucky Barnes was announced as Cap. I will say this though, if anyone else HAD to be Cap, I think Falcon is the best choice. (Not to mention, his artwork in the Cap suit is AMAZING).
I don't like when they switch out characters, but to me its not racially or gender motivated. I didn't care for Dick Grayson being Batman, though admittedly, there were some interesting story elements introduced there. I guess that makes me an old Fuddy-Duddy.
I also take exception to the claim that comic book fans don't care about new characters or concepts. I also don't think that you have to make Captain America black just give African American super heroes a chance to shine. Any comic book character can be amazing under the right creative team. Imagine Scott Snyder doing a Black Lightning comic or Rick Remender doing a Black Panther run.
Instead of making Thor (the character) female, maybe invest some creative juice into Lady Sif or the Enchantress? You know for a while there, one of the best Batman books on the stands was Batwoman. It made more sense to spotlight that character as Batwoman than to make her Batman. So yeah, sometimes these moves do reek of progessiveness for progressiveness' sake. Just my 2 cp.
I have no problem with Sam Wilson becoming Captain America mostly because he didn't become Steve Rogers. Captain America is absolutely a title and Sam Wilson has earned it. Thor losing his power and going on a quest of redemption is fine too. This new woman having that power is also fine. I would be interested in X, Goddess of Thunder which is all they had to say. The stupid part is calling her Thor when it is a name. It's a name in the Mythology, it's a name in the Comics, and it's a name in real life. There are real people named Thor.
As for Captain Marvel. Captain is a title because he was a captain in the Kree military. Mar-vell is his name. Captain Marvel was a codename. Carol wasn't the first to inherit it. Hell, she wasn't even the first woman. Frankly, Carol earned the right to be Captain Marvel a long time ago. It was a natural progression of character and fitting seeing as she started as a distaff counterpart and then totally eclipsed the original male character. I guarantee more people know and like Carol Danvers than Mar-vell.
The new goddess of thunder probably hasn't earned that. I don't who it will be. Sif and Jane Foster would be the only I could think of that could be in a similar situation as Carol. I'm pretty sure there was a What If? where Jane discovered Mjolnir instead of Donald Blake.
As for the point of representation, I'm all for it. I greatly prefer Carol Danvers to Mar-vell, X-23 to Wolverine (who I don't believe for one g&$++$n second is gonna stay dead), and Storm to Cyclops (when she symbolically replaced him as X-Men team leader in the 70s.) I like Kamala Khan a lot; she deserves to take on Carol's mantle. There was no other person who really could have or deserved it more so a new character was perfectly acceptable. And it allowed Carol to grow in a new and better role.
It's both actually. I remember this reply from Beta Ray Bill to a soldier who asked him who he thought he was.
"As far as you are concerned, I am Thor!"
That sounds like the Secret Invasion tie-in. I saw that as more like "We don't have time for this! Follow my command and treat me as you would Thor for I have his power right now."
You realize that Ultron is the vilian in the next avengers movie, right? And that instead of being a creation of Hank Pym, Ultron will now be a suit of Tony's armor that becomes sentient.
Also, there is a bit of internet rumor going around that Angela will be in the Avengers movie.
yep, pretty much why I was pointing out how much Tony's new suit looks like Ultron.
I mean seriously look at this thing
it just screams Ultron to me
so how long before Steve Rogers become Captain America again and Thor becomes a man again? At one time wasnt Thor also a Shazam type character where a kid got to become thor?
Is this just a 6 month publicity stunt to add more characters to a bloated universe and both Steve/original Thor return before the next movie?
I havent read comics in years but is Peter Parker still spiderman and/or are there still clones with alternate spidermen? Same goes with Hulk. Arenet there a bunch of them now including a red she hulk and a blue hulk plus 2-3 other people with hulk like powers and some hulk kids from other planets? Same with multiple wolverines?
Blondie isn't being turned into a woman. (although that HAS happened in the comics) There actually is a different person, possibly Sif? getting both the hammer, powers, and the name of Thor. That's happened to. A stuntman once was found worthy and he was given Thor's mythological belt and glove of strength to help him wield Mjolnir.
In Pathfinder terms, that's like stealing a fighter's +2 sword and then you become that fighter. I don't care how you twist it, it's silly. :p
There are ways that Thor could pass on the torch, as it were, (and preferably to someone a little less White Power) but going "oh yeah and Thor is a chick now" isn't the best way.
Oh. The belt and gloves are a thing in Marvel too?