So I am making an oracle of Asmodeus and am having a bit of trouble deciding what would be a mystery that would make sense for the character.
I know the Flame mystery makes sense for a follower of Asmodeus, however I was wanting the character to be more about making contracts and deals with people and there is no mystery that accurately represents that. I was thinking about using the lore mystery with a little refluffing.
Any thoughts or imput on mysteries that would make sense for an Oracle of Asmodeus other than Flame? :)
Even though Oracles don't NEED to worship a god, most of them DO according to the class description.
I think Flame and Lore are the best choices for a worshiper of the Prince of Darkness.
I don't like Dark Tapestry, since it is associated with Old Ones. You might as well choose Outer Rifts, and replace all the references to "demons" with "devils."
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All I can think of is someone breaking a contract and you saying "Liar, liar, pants on fire." in a deep, gravelly voice, as you set them ablaze. :)
You could be an Oracle of Battle, given that Hell is known for it's infernal legions. With DM agreeing to refluffing, I think Outer Rifts is a good way to go, and sounds fun too!
Dark Tapestry would be a no in my eyes. Dark tapestry concerns the outer gods, beings more powerful than Asmodeus.
The flames would come closest to infernal powers.
But Proley has a point, refluffing.
I don't like Dark Tapestry, since it is associated with Old Ones.
To each their own, but i got an asylum escapee oracle of this mystery, playing a mentally unstable character is fun.
My Oracle of battle has recently finished serpents skull AP in Asmodeus' name. Come visit his jungle shrines
I don't like Dark Tapestry, since it is associated with Old Ones.To each their own, but i got an asylum escapee oracle of this mystery, playing a mentally unstable character is fun.
I didn't mean in general, I meant for a worshiper of Asmodeus.
Most do for the same reason any non-cleric does.... to have a patron. They are however NOT required to worship a deity tied to their mystery. In fact they are frequently unaware of any of such deities and can even actively despise what unknown force may have grafted this power onto them.
Well, saying they don't need to worship god associated with their Mystery is entirely redundant if they don't need to worship a god at all.
However, saying they are "unaware of such deities" is an overstatement. If you are an Oracle of Flames, or ANYONE ELSE, you are probably aware of deities, including fire deities.
And yes, they can hate and work against the gods (any gods, all gods) without losing their powers. That doesn't change the fact that, per the class description, MOST oracles do pray to, not just one, but all the gods associated with their Mystery and that those gods are the source of their power.
Worship is just not a pre-requisite for that power.
I think you misunderstood what Lazar was saying? The oracle is aware that deities exist, certainly, but the oracle often times has no way of knowing which specific deity grants their powers. An Oracle of War might be entirely convinced that he is a noble champion of Iomedae, while in reality being a chaotic arse who's the favored son of Gorrum.
Deluded oracles are a fun concept in general, really. Oracle who believes she is a cleric of herself and spends her time trying to garner followers.
You can't see the amount of roleplaying opportunities in playing a divine caster that doesn't know where they got their power from and therefore has no faith? Especially since Oracles are landed with a curse? I mean there's also lots of ways to play them as having faith, but I don't see why they require it.
I just provided two great roleplaying concepts centered around the divine powers of the class that wouldn't be possible if oracles worked like clerics. You CAN play an oracle that worships the appropriate deity for their powers, but you don't have to. It's a very open-ended concept; I love the fluff of the Oracle, it's so great for inspiring ideas.
I think you misunderstood what Lazar was saying? The oracle is aware that deities exist, certainly, but the oracle often times has no way of knowing which specific deity grants their powers. An Oracle of War might be entirely convinced that he is a noble champion of Iomedae, while in reality being a chaotic arse who's the favored son of Gorrum.
Deluded oracles are a fun concept in general, really. Oracle who believes she is a cleric of herself and spends her time trying to garner followers.
But see, the Oracle of War gets his powers from BOTH Gorum AND Iomedae (and others).
So if he worships Iomedae, but acts more like a Gorumite, that's cool. Or even if he doesn't worship either, or any. Who he chooses to worship doesn't change where the power is coming from.
But I think it would be hard to believe he wasn't "aware" that there were gods of war, such as Iomedae and Gorum, out there. He doesn't have to know they are granting him power. But he is probably aware those gods exist.
But see, the Oracle of War gets his powers from BOTH Gorum AND Iomedae (and others).
So if he worships Iomedae, but acts more like a Gorumite, that's cool. Or even if he doesn't worship either, or any. Who he chooses to worship doesn't change where the power is coming from.
But I think it would be hard to believe he wasn't "aware" that there were gods of war, such as Iomedae and Gorum, out there. He doesn't have to know they are granting him power. But he is probably aware those gods exist.
While sure, Gorum and Iomedae are big names in the "God of War" department, it's important to remember there are hundreds of beings capable of giving people divine power. An Oracle may have been given his mojo by a foreign god like General Susumu or Shizuru. Also some D-List Daemon or Archon the Oracle has never heard of maybe supplying her because of some prediction that she'll someday be in a position to further their cause. It could be a situation where a conglomerate of deities are involved but it's still uncertain where there power is coming from like with the Order of the Godclaw .
I once had an oracle who's backstory ended up being that several allied gods got together and began cultivating a family for generations to create a being perfect for accomplishing a goal of their's several hundred years in the future. Lots of room in the Oracle fluff for interesting things besides a single god or faith giving them their power.
While sure, Gorum and Iomedae are big names in the "God of War" department, it's important to remember there are hundreds of beings capable of giving people divine power. An Oracle may have been given his mojo by a foreign god like General Susumu or Shizuru. Also some D-List Daemon or Archon the Oracle has never heard of maybe supplying her because of some prediction that she'll someday be in a position to further their cause. It could be a situation where a conglomerate of deities are involved but it's still uncertain where there power is coming from like with the Order of the Godclaw .
I once had an oracle who's backstory ended up being that several allied gods got together and began cultivating a family for generations to create a being perfect for accomplishing a goal of their's several hundred years in the future. Lots of room in the Oracle fluff for interesting things besides a single god or faith giving them their power.
No, see, that is my point. According to the Oracle description, ALL deities that are interested in that area power the Oracle's abilities.
So Battle would be Iomedae, Gorum, Rovagug, General Susumu, and every other deity (demigod, etc) of battle.
Although the gods work through many agents, perhaps none is more mysterious than the oracle. These divine vessels are granted power without their choice, selected by providence to wield powers that even they do not fully understand. Unlike a cleric, who draws her magic through devotion to a deity, oracles garner strength and power from many sources, namely those patron deities who support their ideals. Instead of worshiping a single source, oracles tend to venerate all of the gods that share their beliefs. While some see the powers of the oracle as a gift, others view them as a curse, changing the life of the chosen in unforeseen ways.
Worship is an entirely separate thing. Most worship all the gods that control their mystery. Many would pick a single god related to their mystery. Some will pick an unrelated god, or no god at all.
And while you may not know every god that gives you power, you probably know a bunch of them.