Hello. I've been looking the feats available in the game and I was curious about a good combination of the feats listed above in conjunction with the available classes, archtypes, and the sawtooth sabre. There are so many combos to come up with but I was hoping I could get some advice on some that would be the most efficient. I'd prefer to use a race that gets a DEX bonus to their stats and small size if able but this is not required. Since the sawtooth sabre is treated as a light weapon for purposes of two weapon fighting how efficient would the build work with me wielding two of them? Any advice to enhance this concept would be great. Thank you.
I played a 1-shot game where I used the advanced classes book class called the Slayer and played a halfling.
I used 2 scimitars, and took dervish dance and he was amazing (dervish dance allows dex to damage).
If you can talk to your GM, see if he'll allow dervish dance to work with any weapon (sawtooth sabres), and you'll be good.
Dervish dance also requires to have one hand free. Meaning you couldn't use two scimitars...
One way to enchanted the build would be to eventually get both sabers +1 Agile. Other ways would be Smite Evil, weapon training, The mobile fighter or two-weapon warrior fighter archetypes, or even rage(urban barbarian archetype really helps here).
Dervish dance also requires to have one hand free. Meaning you couldn't use two scimitars...
One way to enchanted the build would be to eventually get both sabers +1 Agile. Other ways would be Smite Evil, weapon training, The mobile fighter or two-weapon warrior fighter archetypes, or even rage(urban barbarian archetype really helps here).
ah forgot about that.
oops.
Dervish Dance will explicitly not function with two weapon fighting. It requires your off-hand to be empty.
Play a ranger or a slayer and use the combat style feats to pick up the two weapon fighting feats (ignore greater TWF). The combat style feat selection allows you to ignore requirements for the feats and you can play as strength based instead of dex based. This allows you to use strength to hit and damage, instead of having to spread points between dex and strength.
I would go Ranger 6/ Red Mantis Assassin X. You need to be Human or Half-Elf to grab EWP at first level. Switch to a strength focus with some dexterity rather than the other way around. Grab EWP Sawtooth Sabre and Weapon Focus Sawtooth Sabre at level 1. Get TWF as a ranger bonus feat and ignore the dex requirement, then pick up ITWF the same way at level 6. Grab Power Attack at level 3 and take the right skills and now you have your feat at 5th to take Alertness.
Asking because I'm too lazy to search: Can you get full benefits of Power Attack with 2 sawtooth sabres? (Can you get the 2:1 ratio on both of them, I know you can't two hand them.)
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Asking because I'm too lazy to search: Can you get full benefits of Power Attack with 2 sawtooth sabres? (Can you get the 2:1 ratio on both of them, I know you can't two hand them.)
No, if you use them with TWF, one is treated as offhand and gets the 1:1 ratio.
However, the SS is still a one handed weapon for all purposes other than TWF penalties, so you CAN two hand it.
I meant you can't two hand them both at once. Precision matters. Thanks for the answer.
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If you made a house rule that permitted you to use the old version of the sawtooth sabre you may be able to pull it all together.
The old version was either a light weapon or expressly finessable (like the Elven Curveblade), can't recall which.
But if it was the former, as in a light weapon, that ties it all together for you.
You just need to add the Agile enhancement to each weapon to get DEX to damage.
It is found in the Curse of the Crimson Throne Players Guide.
One level of Swashbuckler from the ACG playtest plus Slashing Grace-sawtooth sabre (also from the playest) would let you finesse the sawtooth sabre, even while dual wielding.
You could then use the Agile enchantment for Dex to damage (unfortunately, Dervish Dance, Swashbuckler, and Duelist all require one hand to be empty).
You still couldn't use Piranha Strike though, since they still aren't light weapons.
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I meant you can't two hand them both at once. Precision matters. Thanks for the answer.
Gotcha, sorry I misunderstood.
lol, damnit, I was trying to say that I had been imprecise and that was why you had read it that way, rather than I had been precise and you were wrong. I'm done posting for the day, I'm gonna try again at this grammar thing tomorrow. I'm sorry for this whole exchange. I'm pretty sure we were both being nice the whole time and text doesn't convey tone.
Sawtooth Sabres are good for strength based two-weapon fighting Rangers, or Slayers.
Eh, it is not that hard to get a strength based TWF that meets the stat prerequisites for the good TWF feats (assuming at least a 20 point buy and that you aren't a class that needs a casting stat more that 12 early on).
Basically, you aim for 16/16/14 for your physical stats (mental stats can be left alone for this). You get this by spending 10 points to get a 16 in one, and 5 points to get 14 in the other. You then get a racial stat bonus (because almost every race gives a bonus to either strength or dex). You can also get these stats with the +2 con races...but that actually requires dumping a mental stat to pull it off.
Any way, starting with 16 dex, and raising it to 17 with your 4th level ability score adjustment allows you to meet the prerequisites for all the good TWF feat. The only one that need 19 dex that immediately comes to mind, Greater TWF, is a feat that gives you an attack at -10 BAB (or effectively -12). For an offhand attack... yeah, even fighters can skip it without losing much. Anyway, with 17 dex, you can promptly forget about putting anything more into that stat, and just raise your strength like everyone else.
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lol, damnit, I was trying to say that I had been imprecise and that was why you had read it that way, rather than I had been precise and you were wrong. I'm done posting for the day, I'm gonna try again at this grammar thing tomorrow. I'm sorry for this whole exchange. I'm pretty sure we were both being nice the whole time and text doesn't convey tone.Gregory Connolly wrote:
I meant you can't two hand them both at once. Precision matters. Thanks for the answer.
Gotcha, sorry I misunderstood.
Lol, no worries. I'm sure we were both trying to be helpful and experiencing the limitations of text.
There's a Ranger combat style added in Inner Sea Combat that is meant for TWF Sawtooth Sabres.
Combat style options: Double Slice, Exotic Weapon Proficiency (sawtooth sabre), Two-Weapon Feint and Two-Weapon Fighting. At 6th level, he adds Improved Two-Weapon Feint and Two-Weapon Defense to the list. At 10th level, he adds Greater Two-Weapon Fighting and Two-Weapon Rend to the list.
For whatever reason, you can't take Imp TWF with the style, but can get Greater TWF at 10th level. Feels like an error to me, but it doesn't matter much. The TWF combat style is going to have all the same feats you want, anyways, without this issue. It would be nice to get Imp Two-Weapon Feint without prereqs, though.
Felt like it was worth mentioning.
For sawtooth sabres, you could also go with a monk build that takes a level dip into a Cleric (or maybe Warpriest) of Achakek. You get proficiency with sawtooth sabres for free, and with the Crusader's Flurry feat, you get to flurry with them, which effectively gives you TWF and Double Slice for free. (Note that you only get 1/2 the Power Attack bonus on your off-hand, though.)