Basically as the subject says:
1. Do these SLAs qualify for Arcane Strike?
2. Would an elf fighter with envoy receive full Arcane strike progression?
You draw upon your arcane power to enhance your weapons with magical energy.
Prerequisite: Ability to cast arcane spells.
Benefit: As a swift action, you can imbue your weapons with a fraction of your power. For 1 round, your weapons deal +1 damage and are treated as magic for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. For every five caster levels you possess, this bonus increases by +1, to a maximum of +5 at 20th level.
A spell-like ability doesn't grant you the ability to cast actual spells, so a fighter doesn't meet the requirement for Arcane Strike as he cannot cast Arcane Spells. ;)
Ok, so if the requirement was to be able to cast "comprehend languages", then he would qualify under http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9qow, but since it's "spells" plural it doesn't qualify, correct?
Basically as the subject says:
1. Do these SLAs qualify for Arcane Strike?
2. Would an elf fighter with envoy receive full Arcane strike progression?
1. Yes. The Paizo team has clarified that spell-like abilities that mimic arcane spells are arcane spells.
2. Yes.The only question in my mind is whether SLAs count as "the ability to cast 3rd level spells" and so forth. I say no, Pathfinder society currently says Yes.
But SLAs do count as the spells they are for purposes of prerequisites.
Ok, so if the requirement was to be able to cast "comprehend languages", then he would qualify under http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9qow, but since it's "spells" plural it doesn't qualify, correct?
If a prerequisite requires you to be able to do something, and you can do that something; then you qualify. So if something requires you to be able to cast/use "Comprehend Languages" and you can cast/use it, then you qualify.
The distinction is that a Spell-like Ability isn't a spell, it's an ability that can look like one, but isn't.
A spell-like ability doesn't grant you the ability to cast actual spells, so a fighter doesn't meet the requirement for Arcane Strike as he cannot cast Arcane Spells. ;)
*Sigh*. Not only are you wrong, in the discussions about the "SLAs count as spellcasting", Arcane Strike was specifically called out as working.
A spell-like ability doesn't grant you the ability to cast actual spells, so a fighter doesn't meet the requirement for Arcane Strike as he cannot cast Arcane Spells. ;)*Sigh*. Not only are you wrong, in the discussions about the "SLAs count as spellcasting", Arcane Strike was specifically called out as working.
Sadly, a lot of people answering rules questions don't read relevant FAQs, even when they're linked.
Just to save on any confusion, here is the FAQ:
"Spell-Like Abilities, Casting, and Prerequisites: Does a creature with a spell-like ability count as being able to cast that spell for the purpose of prerequisites or requirements?
Yes.
For example, the Dimensional Agility feat (Ultimate Combat) has "ability to use the abundant step class feature or cast dimension door" as a prerequisite; a barghest has dimension door as a spell-like ability, so the barghest meets the "able to cast dimension door prerequisite for that feat."
So yes, you do qualify for arcane strike. The Progression does not call out any additional prerequisites, so yes also, you would get the full progression.
Sadly, a lot of people answering rules questions don't read relevant FAQs, even when they're linked.A spell-like ability doesn't grant you the ability to cast actual spells, so a fighter doesn't meet the requirement for Arcane Strike as he cannot cast Arcane Spells. ;)*Sigh*. Not only are you wrong, in the discussions about the "SLAs count as spellcasting", Arcane Strike was specifically called out as working.
I read the FAQ before replying, no-where in it does it state that the ability to cast a spell as an SLA equates to being able to cast spells of any particular magic domain. If a prerequisite requires the ability to cast "Fireball" and you can do that, then you meet the requirement. However, if the prerequisite demands the ability to cast Arcane Spells, then you do not.
And I meant to say that a SLA spell doesn't equate to a <magic domain> spell.
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Sadly, a lot of people answering rules questions don't read relevant FAQs, even when they're linked.A spell-like ability doesn't grant you the ability to cast actual spells, so a fighter doesn't meet the requirement for Arcane Strike as he cannot cast Arcane Spells. ;)*Sigh*. Not only are you wrong, in the discussions about the "SLAs count as spellcasting", Arcane Strike was specifically called out as working.I read the FAQ before replying, no-where in it does it state that the ability to cast a spell as an SLA equates to being able to cast spells of any particular magic domain. If a prerequisite requires the ability to cast "Fireball" and you can do that, then you meet the requirement. However, if the prerequisite demands the ability to cast Arcane Spells, then you do not.
And I meant to say that a SLA spell doesn't equate to a <magic domain> spell.
and did you read the FAQ right below it?
Spell-Like Abilities: How do I know whether a spell-like ability is arcane or divine?
The universal monster rules for spell-like abilities states: "Some spell-like abilities duplicate spells that work differently when cast by characters of different classes. A monster's spell-like abilities are presumed to be the sorcerer/wizard versions. If the spell in question is not a sorcerer/wizard spell, then default to cleric, druid, bard, paladin, and ranger, in that order."For spell-like abilities gained from a creature's race or type (including PC races), the same rule should apply: the creature's spell-like abilities are presumed to be the sorcerer/wizard versions. If the spell in question is not a sorcerer/wizard spell, then default to cleric, druid, bard, paladin, and ranger, in that order.
For spell-like abiities gained from a class, use the spell type (arcane or divine) of that class to determine whether the spell-like ability is arcane or divine. If the class doesn't cast spells, use the above rule for spell-like abilities from race or type.
Edit 7/15/13: Wording changed match the precedent in the universal monster rules for spell-like abilities.
Edit 9/23/13: Wording updated to clarify racial/type SLAs vs. class SLAs.
Between the two faqs you are casting 4 spells, and those spells are counted as sorc/wizard spells. Thus, you are considered to be casting arcane spells for the purpose of prerequisites.
Sadly, a lot of people answering rules questions don't read relevant FAQs, even when they're linked.A spell-like ability doesn't grant you the ability to cast actual spells, so a fighter doesn't meet the requirement for Arcane Strike as he cannot cast Arcane Spells. ;)*Sigh*. Not only are you wrong, in the discussions about the "SLAs count as spellcasting", Arcane Strike was specifically called out as working.I read the FAQ before replying, no-where in it does it state that the ability to cast a spell as an SLA equates to being able to cast spells of any particular magic domain. If a prerequisite requires the ability to cast "Fireball" and you can do that, then you meet the requirement. However, if the prerequisite demands the ability to cast Arcane Spells, then you do not.
And I meant to say that a SLA spell doesn't equate to a <magic domain> spell.
and did you read the FAQ right below it?
...Spell-Like Abilities: How do I know whether a spell-like ability is arcane or divine?
The universal monster rules for spell-like abilities states: "Some spell-like abilities duplicate spells that work differently when cast by characters of different classes. A monster's spell-like abilities are presumed to be the sorcerer/wizard versions. If the spell in question is not a sorcerer/wizard spell, then default to cleric, druid, bard, paladin, and ranger, in that order."For spell-like abilities gained from a creature's race or type (including PC races), the same rule should apply: the creature's spell-like abilities are presumed to be the sorcerer/wizard versions. If the spell in question is not a sorcerer/wizard spell, then default to cleric, druid, bard, paladin, and ranger, in that order.
For spell-like abiities gained from a class, use the spell type (arcane or divine) of that class to determine whether the spell-like ability is arcane or divine. If the class
You're right, I didn't read the FAQ below that. I was wrong, my apologies. (Though that is one odd errata)