This is a little tricky since an outsider's soul is not 'separate' from its body, but if you are using spells like 'Create Soul Gem' or the 'Talisman of Soul-Eating', are such abilities even possible against outsiders? (such as devils, demons, genies, etc)
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The text obviously implies that you can create soul gems out of the souls of mortals, but I wasn't sure if the same could be said for the soul of an outsider. Any thoughts?
I would say that you can target an outsider with Create Soul Gem. They aren't soulless. In fact they are all soul. Personally, I probably wouldn't allow it on a dead outsider, but would target them while they are dying.
I'm curious as to what would happen to their body if they are a soul that is captured in a gem.
Well see that's the thing: my character is basically using a Talisman of Soul-eating to collect souls for a very dear 'friend' of mine (a horned devil no less), and we recently ended up fighting a horde of Proteans (This is actually from the Legacy of Fire campaign).
Anyway, once we killed the leader of the Proteans (the 'chick' named Lahapraset), I decided to use my talisman to take her soul.
But of course, the question obviously came up: can you take the soul of a dead outsider? Again, because an outsider's body and soul are 'one', then it kinda made my group scratch their heads in confusion. We decided to let it slide for now, and thus far I haven't found anything to say that you "can't" use the talisman (or the Create Soul Gem spell) on outsiders (as the requirement only seems to be that the target is a 'sentient creatures' who possess a soul...so obviously no constructs or 'mindless' undead unless said creatures specifically say that they do in fact have souls).
Anyone else have any other thoughts.
I guess the real question is: what kind of creatures actually have souls (and if said creature does have a soul, is it actually possible to steal it with a Talisman of soul-eating or a Create Soul Gem spell)?
Someone wants to recreate the Genie from Aladdin, huhuhu!
I don't think you can grab the soul of an outsider. Consider:
Raise Dead: Constructs, elementals, outsiders, and undead creatures can't be raised.
Resurrection: Constructs, elementals, outsiders, and undead creatures can't be resurrected.
True Resurrection: This spell can even bring back creatures whose bodies have been destroyed, provided that you unambiguously identify the deceased in some fashion....This spell can also resurrect elementals or outsiders, but it can't resurrect constructs or undead creatures.
7th level spell cannot grab the outsider's soul, but a 9th level one can.
The talisman is based off of the Create Soul Gem spell. It is 3rd level spell at CL 5 effect.
I don't see how a 3rd level spell does something a 7th level spell cannot do, i.e. access an outsider's soul.
/cevah
One could argue that the lower level raise spells have trouble because the outsider's soulbody is all beaten up from the death thing. If you have an intact outsider soulbody, then why not go for it?
At worst, you create some horrific new breed of monster or something! Win-win!