EWP: Bastard Sword. Is it a good idea to take Use large Weapon with my Tiefling?


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Hello there!

My GM offered me the EWP: Bastard Sword because I chose Ragathiel as the god of my Tiefling Paladin for our next Wrath of the righteous campaign.
I chose the demon-spawn heritage. Now I really hesitate.

I find it fun to take a Large Bastard Sword and go the Amiri/Guts way.
I don't want Shatter as my tiefling power so I hesitate to trade it for "Use Large Weapon" abilities to negate the -2, or to take "Levitate at will", because it is fun to.

what do you think?

My build for the moment with 25 points bye

Tiefling Paladin of Ragathiel 1

Str 17
Dex 14
Con 14
Int 12
Wis 8
Cha 16

Feat:
- fey Foundling (reflavored with the demon thing)
- EWP: Bastard Sword (offered by GM)

Trait:

-Still hesitating but I like Finding Haleen for +1 to skills and HP (I really like Skills :) )

Thx for your help !

Shadow Lodge

Well, its suboptimal to use a larger weapon, since it weighs and costs a good bit more, and penalizes attack rolls or forces you to give something up. However, keep in mind that you are 25PB, Mythic, and a Paladin in the Paladin Candy Demon-Slaying Campaign. Its safe to do some suboptimal choices. I know a guy who is doing TWF Paladin in Wrath of the Righteous, as a Dex-based character. He is MAD, Feat-Taxed, and doing a suboptimal fighting style, and we call him the lawn-mower since he literally cannot keep from one-rounding most fights. You are choosing an optimal fighting style, and will probably come out ludicrously powerful as well, so I suggest doing what fits your character's image best.


A Tiefling with the Over-Sized Limbs heritage trait can use Large weapons with no penalty.

I say grab it.


Arachnofiend wrote:

A Tiefling with the Over-Sized Limbs heritage trait can use Large weapons with no penalty.

I say grab it.

If you can use a Huge Weapon with a -2 penalty I would.


Scavion wrote:
Arachnofiend wrote:

A Tiefling with the Over-Sized Limbs heritage trait can use Large weapons with no penalty.

I say grab it.

If you can use a Huge Weapon with a -2 penalty I would.

All the description says is "You have over-sized limbs, allowing you to use Large weapons without penalty". It doesn't explicitly allow it, but the idea is that you are a medium creature with large sized arms so it would make sense if you could do that.

Grand Lodge

Over-Sized Limbs only takes away penalties from large weapons, you could already wield.

It does not allow you to wield weapons larger than you could before.


You gained proficiency for free, so if you can ignore the attack roll penalty, go for it.

If you can't ignore the penalty I wouldn't do it. It's a Greatsword with +2 damage for -2 to hit, not worth it in that case.

Also Finding Haleen comes from the Legacy of Fire AP, so your DM might not allow it. If he allows it, well, it's a solid trait.


Large Bastard Sword = Cool but suboptimal.

Question - How does your GM plan on handing out magical items?
It's going to be very hard to find a enchanted Large Bastard Sword. If it's high magic and lots of people around able to enchant it up as you level I'd say go for it since you want to.

Trait: Depending on party mix, grabbing the trait that makes UMD a class skill can be very handy. As you already have the CHA for it. Then if you can find a Wand of Lead Blades (Ranger 1st level spell) you can be doing some serious dice damage with your Large Bastard Sword. Large Bastard Sword does 2D8 damage, then with Lead Blades you'd do 3D8 damage.


Once again, for a Fiendish Heritage Tiefling who just wants to 2-handed Power Attack there's no reason not to use a large weapon. No penalty to it.

I would hope that if the GM is giving him the option to do this he is also giving him the options of making it not suck. Otherwise that GM is a jerk.

Grand Lodge

Tieflings no longer need the Fiendish Heritage feat for anything.

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blackbloodtroll wrote:

Tieflings no longer need the Fiendish Heritage feat for anything.

why's that?

Liberty's Edge

Cyrad wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

Tieflings no longer need the Fiendish Heritage feat for anything.

why's that?

Because the alternate heritage options are open choices for everyone, without the feat now. Since the coming of the Blood of Fiends book.


For your character optimal weapons would be something like a nodachi or an oversized falcata. Falchion, greatsword, elven curve blade and oversized bastard sword or katana all work well too. How much do you care about marginal DPR and how much do you care about image and how much do you worry about not getting a good enough magic weapon?


Personally, I'd stick with the standard Bastard sword and go one handed with a shield. You can always drop the shield and wield the Sword two handed for that little bit of extra damage from power attack and whatnot. As a paladin, though, your damage isn't going to come from your weapon dice damage... It's going to be Smite damage, especially in WotR. You should be smiting everything... Plus if you pick up Mythic Vital Strike... You can dish out some ridiculous damage in a single hit with smite active without sacrificing your AC.

Plus as the others have brought up... The likelihood of finding a random large bastard sword is unlikely unless your GM does preferred magic item drops. Just something to think about.


Well Grégory, since we Will be 4 players with me as the only frontliner, I nées to dish out some serious DPR. I dońt need it to be totally cheezy, but If I can the Job, it should be okay.I like a good image too, and I'm not worry about getting magic weapon. My GM always reworks the APs to match our choices.

To blackbloodtroll and Fomsie. I didn't understand what you said about the fiendish feat. Is it still a feat or a trait?

Thx for your advices all.

Sstrad

Grand Lodge

Sstrad wrote:


To blackbloodtroll and Fomsie. I didn't understand what you said about the fiendish feat. Is it still a feat or a trait?

It was a feat, but is no is longer required to choose alternate heritage Tieflings.


Oversized bastard sword is good if you take the trait to eliminate the -2 penalty. 2d8 19-20/x2 is good damage. The only issue is going to be the 19-20 crit range. 18-20 doubles to 15-20 which is noticeably better than 17-20. The falcata is a special case because of the x3 crit, enabling you to get 17-20/x3 which is slightly better in DPR but about the same in practice because some things that you x3 crit would have died to a x2 crit. Having an 18-20 crit weapon like a nodachi, elven curve blade or falchion really helps DPR as soon as you get keen or Improved Critical. Also as a side note taking Power Attack as your 3rd level feat is almost mandatory if you want to focus on DPR.

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