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I can't seem to find it, but, as a general rule, how are the DC's of poisons determined? Example; if I use Wild Shape to turn into something that has a poison ability, and I gain that, what would the DC be based off of? My constitution? My wisdom? I looked at a diminutive spider that had a DC 10 poison. It had a 6 constitution, 10 wisdom. If the poison is based off constitution, I would expect the DC to be less than 10, if it's based off wisdom, the DC 10 seems to make more sense.
Figure's I would find it after I post the question.
Poison (Ex or Su)
A creature with this ability can poison those it attacks. The effects of the poison, including its save, frequency, and cure, are included in the creature’s description. The saving throw to resist a poison is usually a Fort save (DC 10 + 1/2 the poisoning creature’s racial HD + the creature’s Con modifier; the exact DC is given in the creature’s descriptive text). Poisons can be removed through neutralize poison and similar effects.
Now that begs the question, continuing the former example. If a druid wild shaped into something that has a poisonous bite, would the druid use the same formula? (10 + 1/2 HD + Con modifier)
That's almost exactly what I need! One problem, I'm not actually casting a spell.
Wild Shape is a class feature that acts as the spell but isn't actually the spell. So would the Wild Shape class feature act based off my Wisdom, or Intelligence since the 3 casters that can normally use the spell are Magus, Alchemist, and Wizard?
Wisdom. You would use Wisdom for determining the save DC were you to cast this spell against an unwilling target (somehow), so like all your actual spells, use your casting stat, ie Wisdom.
I'd say specific rule trumps general rule. Wildshape functions as Beast Shape, Beast Shape uses your own save DC for the spell. That trumps the general rule for determining the save DC of a critter's poison, which would indeed use Constitution.
I would almost think it works in tandem with other class features. Like the witch's hex. DC = 10 + 1/2 witch level + Int modifier. Except Poison would be DC = 10 + 1/2 druid level + Wis modifier.