Another Synth question

[Diekssus]

so yeah, another Summoner - Synthesist question(s as it might be)

A vampire inside his translucent living armor... is that direct sunlight? it covers his entire body, it might even be black as night. Can a vampire walk out in sunlight like that?

please tell me no, this half-orc vampire is going to have a laugh otherwise.

[Marthkus]

IMO: yes

*note not a well thought out opinion.

[Diekssus]

Marthkus wrote:

IMO: yes

*note not a well thought out opinion.

is that to, "is it direct sunlight?" or "can he walk outside like that?"

[Marthkus]

Diekssus wrote:

Marthkus wrote:

IMO: yes

*note not a well thought out opinion.

is that to, "is it direct sunlight?" or "can he walk outside like that?"

This one: "Can a vampire walk out in sunlight like that?"

[Faskill]

Is it for real, a vampire synthesist? S*** just got real :p

[cnetarian]

Personally I'd say the eidolon diffuses the sunlight enough not be direct sunlight but an argument can be made otherwise.

First note that the eidolon as armour is translucent and cannot be black as night unless by "black as night" you mean twilight in a poorly lit, not brightly lit, area. Transparent - allows light and images to pass through, translucent - allows light through but not images, opaque - light and images do not pass through. Think of translucence as letting light through but jostling it in the process so that instead of being able to see for sure what is on the other side you can only see a shadow.

Second note that there is no reason to require that an eidolon encase the entire body. Instead of encasing the body like a translucent force field the eidolon might instead be worn "like translucent, living armor" leaving the head and hands exposed, which could be rather nasty.

[Diekssus]

cnetarian wrote:

Second note that there is no reason to require that an eidolon encase the entire body. Instead of encasing the body like a translucent force field the eidolon might instead be worn "like translucent, living armor" leaving the head and hands exposed, which could be rather nasty.

I believe that the description says you are inside of it, that would mean being enveloped in it. also the color of the eidolon is never mentioned for a Synthesist. considering they can take on the approximate form of anything, something black should not be out of the question.

Faskill wrote:

Is it for real, a vampire synthesist? S*** just got real :p

Its one with the half-orc archtype as well. So you got a vampire synthesis that with the consumption of a little blood gains even more evolutions (in addition to getting his blood fix), can go out in the day... they also don't lose any inherent powers or natural attacks.... he's scary. I really don't want to fight him again.

[Korthis]

I would yes until he fails a sleep/banish/dismissal/etc

[cnetarian]

Diekssus wrote:

cnetarian wrote:

Second note that there is no reason to require that an eidolon encase the entire body. Instead of encasing the body like a translucent force field the eidolon might instead be worn "like translucent, living armor" leaving the head and hands exposed, which could be rather nasty.

I believe that the description says you are inside of it, that would mean being enveloped in it. also the color of the eidolon is never mentioned for a Synthesist. considering they can take on the approximate form of anything, something black should not be out of the question.

The wording is "[t]he synthesist wears the eidolon like translucent, living armor", nothing about being encased in it. Being encased in the eidolon can pose problems. Does a synthesist with a snake eidolon transmute her skeleton so that the body can remains encased in the eidolon as the snake eidolon moves in ways impossible for beings with only a few dozen vertebrae? How does a synthesist encased in a eidolon with hooves manage to make the finger gestures needed for somatic spells? I like the idea and imagery of the sythesist encased in the eidolon, but it doesn't necessarily follow from the description and may even be impossible.

An eidolon is restricted to being translucent. Translucent is a word which means light goes through, not quite the same as transparent which means sight goes through, but far from opaque which means light doesn't go through. Translucence limits eidolons to colors which can pass through light. It may be that my imagination falls short and it is possible to be "black as night" and still pass through light, but the two seem to be opposites.

[LoneKnave]

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How does a synthesist encased in a eidolon with hooves manage to make the finger gestures needed for somatic spells?

This was actually brought up in an FAQ, if the eidolon form doesn't have hands, it can not cast spells with somatic components.

Also, Eidolons can take a number of shadow evolutions, as well as getting like +8 to disguise with a single evolution point. I'd say even if the base eidolon itself doesn't count, with the right evolutions you can easily justify it.

[Diekssus]

cnetarian wrote:

An eidolon is restricted to being translucent. Translucent is a word which means light goes through, not quite the same as transparent which means sight goes through, but far from opaque which means light doesn't go through. Translucence limits eidolons to colors which can pass through light. It may be that my imagination falls short and it is possible to be "black as night" and still pass through light, but the two seem to be opposites.

Think of using a black film, yes, its black however because its translucent, the light is broken, and most of it won't pass trough, and that's only a thin film. not translucent armor. The point isn't that light cannot reach inside, its more about direct sunlight. a vampire doesn't die from heavily dimmed light. Reflected light also seems not to work, otherwise he'd not be able to go out at night (moonlight is reflected sunlight, pathfinder happens in a proper solar system, and it works the same). Not to say that's why it be valid, I was asking, however to reply to your statement "may be that my imagination falls short" ... I guess.

[cnetarian]

Diekssus wrote:

cnetarian wrote:

An eidolon is restricted to being translucent. Translucent is a word which means light goes through, not quite the same as transparent which means sight goes through, but far from opaque which means light doesn't go through. Translucence limits eidolons to colors which can pass through light. It may be that my imagination falls short and it is possible to be "black as night" and still pass through light, but the two seem to be opposites.

Think of using a black film, yes, its black however because its translucent, the light is broken, and most of it won't pass trough, and that's only a thin film. not translucent armor. The point isn't that light cannot reach inside, its more about direct sunlight. a vampire doesn't die from heavily dimmed light. Reflected light also seems not to work, otherwise he'd not be able to go out at night (moonlight is reflected sunlight, pathfinder happens in a proper solar system, and it works the same). Not to say that's why it be valid, I was asking, however to reply to your statement "may be that my imagination falls short" ... I guess.

I already said that I personally would say an eidolon "diffuses the sunlight enough not be direct sunlight." However there is a valid argument that can be made that since translucent materials allow light to pass through, a translucent eidolon would allow direct sunlight to pass through. It comes down to a GM judgement call

• if a GM wants to allow a synthesist vampire to daywalk then the eidolon can encase the vampire and eidolon translucence protects from direct sunlight
• if a GM is looking for a way to prevent a synthesist vampire from voiding one of the greatest weaknesses of vampires then the eidolon can be more like a suit of armor than an encasing force field or translucence can allow direct sunlight through.

[LazarX]

Diekssus wrote:

so yeah, another Summoner - Synthesist question(s as it might be)

A vampire inside his translucent living armor... is that direct sunlight? it covers his entire body, it might even be black as night. Can a vampire walk out in sunlight like that?

please tell me no, this half-orc vampire is going to have a laugh otherwise.

Sure, as long as you also rule that his melee and weapon attacks don't cause energy drain. Remember also that the eidolon does not benefit from the vampire's fast healing either.

[Diekssus]

LazarX wrote:

Diekssus wrote:

so yeah, another Summoner - Synthesist question(s as it might be)

A vampire inside his translucent living armor... is that direct sunlight? it covers his entire body, it might even be black as night. Can a vampire walk out in sunlight like that?

please tell me no, this half-orc vampire is going to have a laugh otherwise.

Sure, as long as you also rule that his melee and weapon attacks don't cause energy drain. Remember also that the eidolon does not benefit from the vampire's fast healing either.

A synth could directly feed his own hp into the eid, and then his own would kick in to heal that.

Your other point however makes a lot of sense. For the vampire to FE bite his target with his own fangs, he'd have to bare that part of himself to the sunlight. I'll look into this.