Can someone please point me to a topic, or tell me how do 2 handed weapons and the Flurry of Blows interact?
Specifically Seven-branched sword, Kyoketsu shoge, Bo staff, Sansetsukon and Tiger fork, which are all monk weapons, that can't be wielded with one hand and are not double weapons, so that TWF feat doesn't particularly interact well with them and yet thanks to the monk ability can clearly be flurried.
Do I get the 1.5 Strength bonus to Damage and PA and eventually can I apply the Backswing from 2H Fighter archetype?
You get 1 x str bonus...but you do get the 2 handed bonus from power attack
I will read backswing and get back to you
As far as I know, you cannot Two-Weapon Fight with a Two-Handed Weapon. I could be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure there was a big argument raised to the Devs about Flurry of Blows and Manufactured Weapons involved.
In addition, the weapons involved must be called out as Main and Off-Hand. I'd assume that if the manufactured weapon was either, you still only get (half of) your modifier to damage and hit, since it must still follow the rules of Two-Weapon Fighting.
Otherwise, as a GM I don't see why not; assuming you can Unarmed Strike with your elbows and knees/feet, with your hands on a Two-Handed Weapon, you'd still follow the protocol. You'd just need to state which type is primary and which is secondary when you do so.
To tell you the truth both backswing and flurry of blows overrides the general rule for strength bonus on 2 handed weapons...this is a bit odd
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As far as I know, you cannot Two-Weapon Fight with a Two-Handed Weapon. I could be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure there was a big argument raised to the Devs about Flurry of Blows and Manufactured Weapons involved.
In addition, the weapons involved must be called out as Main and Off-Hand. I'd assume that if the manufactured weapon was either, you still only get (half of) your modifier to damage and hit, since it must still follow the rules of Two-Weapon Fighting.
Otherwise, as a GM I don't see why not; assuming you can Unarmed Strike with your elbows and knees/feet, with your hands on a Two-Handed Weapon, you'd still follow the protocol. You'd just need to state which type is primary and which is secondary when you do so.
He can flurry with a 2 handed weapon but not 2 weapon fight...even though they are similar
I'm not fighting with elbows this time. The twohander itself is a monk weapon, so technically I could get multiple swings with flurry and all following standard rule for the weapon. Flurry even mentions that there is no off-hand for flurrying monk :)
Namely the Mwk Sansetsukon I'm currently using is a 1d10, 19-20/x2 martial weapon with blocking, monk and disarm qualities, so my 18 STR Mnk 2 / Ftr 2 could go flurry with it for
+7/+7 (1d10+4 19-20/x2)
+6/+6 (1d10+7 19-20/x2) with PA
alternatively could it be
+5/+5 (1d10+10 19-20/x2) with PA, if I apply that for these attacks my BAB from mon is equal to my monk level, or does the sentense about BAB for qualifying for feats override this?
The increasing damage from power attack is based on your actual BAB
I could actually read it where it gives you the higher bonus however this creates an issue to where at level monk 2/fighter 2 your actual BAB is +3 and your flurry BAB is + 4
For me it breaks that way because if you standard attack you get one bonus...of you flurry you get a higher bonus...I wouldn't be cool with this
Yup, it kind of makes those 2H monk weapons worth considering, when you take into account that you have to go through loops to get proficiency with them :/
Well, there's the staff, it is two-handed and monks are automatically proficient /runs away .
Ahem. Pity the iconic humble stick tends not to be too effective when it comes to raw numbers. Half-elf monks can get some proficiencies with nice stuff via their alternative racial trait though, and the sohei tends to be proficient with all martial weapons - so supposedly the eastern martial weapons as well.
Staff is also a double weapon, so it doesn't have this problem as it's simply used in double mode for the purposes of flurry. The weapons I've mentioned above are not double and can't be used in one hand and thus can't be used this way and yet they permit flurry via monk quality.
It can, however, be used as a two-handed weapon. Is it specified anywhere that you have to count it as two-handed if flurrying?
Flurry normally follows TWF rules with a few exceptions, so there is no conflict there. Now there is that question whether you can really do this in 2H mode with a double weapon while flurrying. Under normal TWF you can't as you either get 1 attack in 2H mode OR 2 attacks in TWF mode while wielding a double weapon. The weapons above, however don't offer any other choice than using 2H weapons rules, with the exception of full STR bonus as it's RAW via flurry.
Look, if you can't flurry with a two-handed weapon, why is the Str modifier for flurryinh with a two-handed weapon specified in the ability?
1*Str, +3 per +1 from Power Attack, and there's a ruling from the devs saying that you use the Flurry BAB for everything when you flurry - including PA.
As for backswing....undefined. You could argue Order of Operations (set the modifier to *1, then set the modifier to *2) or Multiplier Stacking (*1+(*2-*1,5)=*1,5).
I can flurry with it, the question stands whether I can backswing and what PA modifier do I get and according to what BAB, as Flurry only concerns STR bonus and BAB definition is a bit muddy.
I can flurry with it, the question stands whether I can backswing and what PA modifier do I get and according to what BAB, as Flurry only concerns STR bonus and BAB definition is a bit muddy.
+6 for a 4th level monk. As for Backswing, I believe multiplier stacking is the way to go, but you should have a go at convincing your GM to use order of operations.
Okay, so normal attack PA gets -1/+3 (Ftr 2/Mnk2 BAB +3) and flurry PA gets -2/+6 (for flurrying Ftr 2/Mnk2 BAB is +4), right?
Okay, so normal attack PA gets -1/+3 (Ftr 2/Mnk2 BAB +3) and flurry PA gets -2/+6 (for flurrying Ftr 2/Mnk2 BAB is +4), right?
exactly.
Backswing should be simply applied. You add double your strength mod for damage.
It doesn't say at half your strength mod to normal. It doesn't care what it used to be at all, makes no reference as isn't dependent on what it was before backswing. It just says you can add twice your strength mod to damage.
