Can I use create spawn and my spawns create spawn then they create spawn and so on would it work
Create Spawn (Su): A vampire can create spawn out of those it slays with blood drain or energy drain, provided that the slain creature is of the same creature type as the vampire's base creature type. The victim rises from death as a vampire in 1d4 days. This vampire is under the command of the vampire that created it, and remains enslaved until its master's destruction. A vampire may have enslaved spawn totaling no more than twice its own Hit Dice; any spawn it creates that would exceed this limit become free-willed undead. A vampire may free an enslaved spawn in order to enslave a new spawn, but once freed, a vampire or vampire spawn cannot be enslaved again.
I am curious because if I control vampire a and b.
A and b each own 2
Those two each own 2 more
And so on so by proxy can I control a huge army of vampires?
Almost definitely
No, because vampire spawn are not full vampires until they are freed. They do not get the Create Spawn ability according to RAW.
"It gains the blood drain and
dominate vampire special attacks.
• It gains channel resistance +2, DR
5/silver, resist cold and energy 10, fast
healing 2, and the vampire qualities listed
above (gaseous form, shadowless, and
spider climb).
• A vampire spawn gains all of the
standard vampire weaknesses.
• A vampire spawn is
CR 4."This is copy pasted right out of the Bestiary.
This page vampires says
Vampire Spawn A vampire can elect to create a vampire spawn instead of a full-fledged vampire when she uses her create spawn ability on a humanoid creature only.
So as far as i understand create spawn you get to choose which one you want to make
Unless you're planning on only using them at night find a way to keep protective penumbra available.
Unless you're planning on only using them at night find a way to keep protective penumbra available.
I was thinking about maybe a ring of resist sunlight or something or can just stay up all night sleep for little each day 6 hours then back up and going...
I'll get a pet lich to gaurd me during the day (lol other player gonna be lich)
No, because vampire spawn are not full vampires until they are freed. They do not get the Create Spawn ability according to RAW.
"It gains the blood drain and
dominate vampire special attacks.
• It gains channel resistance +2, DR
5/silver, resist cold and energy 10, fast
healing 2, and the vampire qualities listed
above (gaseous form, shadowless, and
spider climb).
• A vampire spawn gains all of the
standard vampire weaknesses.
• A vampire spawn is
CR 4."This is copy pasted right out of the Bestiary.
Almost right. Except the actual ability defaults to creating vampires, not vampire spawn. The vampire can choose to create a lesser form, which is the vampire spawn. She would do this if she wanted more enslaved underlings, as they have less Hit Dice, so she could control more. If she's looking for companions, then she creates true vampires.
This page vampires says
Vampire Spawn A vampire can elect to create a vampire spawn instead of a full-fledged vampire when she uses her create spawn ability on a humanoid creature only.
So as far as i understand create spawn you get to choose which one you want to make
As pointed out here. :)
So, so answer the OP, yes, you could theoretically have a master vampire create true vampires who she retains control of, who then go out and create vampires of their own, rinse and repeat. The danger to the Master vampire is that the spawn of her spawn would not be under her direct control, so she would be in danger of revolt from her servant's servants.
They're under your complete control per LazarX's quote.
Though, template RAW they do not need to feed as undead do not need to eat. There is an optional feed system in Blood of the Night.
Keep in mind that creatures with fewer than 5 hit dice are ineligable for the Vampire template, so if you're "recruiting" from 1st level commoners you have no choice but to make them Vampire Spawn, which cannot create their own spawn.
no to the army of undead.
1 attracts attention, 3 guarentee's a reprisal, 5 or more and they will send an army to wipe you from the face of the land.
Why else do you think blood suckers are allways stumbled over in very small constantly moveing groups.
Problem with creating full-fledged vampires is that these vampires have a will of their own. Might not even like you for turning them. You have no control over them and they owe no allegiance to you.
The create spawn ability states This vampire is under the command of the vampire that created it, and remains enslaved until its master's destruction.
So let's say I turn bill into a vampire bill can't harm me so bill turns fred to have fred kill me but fred doesn't like bill anymore so he turns jose and so on and when I learn bill turned fred to do this than I kill bill so it works out
no to the army of undead.
1 attracts attention, 3 guarentee's a reprisal, 5 or more and they will send an army to wipe you from the face of the land.
Why else do you think blood suckers are allways stumbled over in very small constantly moveing groups.
But 300 is strong enough to march strait to thier army and slaughter them in their sleep
Edit: Oh and disguise or alter self prernancy and them bluff they don't know who I am :)
Edit 2: forgot evil laugh (referring to slaughter in sleep) muahahaha
1. How do you feed 300 vamps regurlary?
2. 300 vamps in one place will have an angelic host on you verry quickly. (Those pesky cleric's will nark on you in a heartbeat)
1. How do you feed 300 vamps regurlary?
2. 300 vamps in one place will have an angelic host on you verry quickly. (Those pesky cleric's will nark on you in a heartbeat)
Stealth got a bonus or bluff and disguise after one round of being sickened I can go within 5 ft of a holy symbol so see I just stand near a cross and they can't tell
LolAnd I can't find on vampire page where it says got to eat if someone sees this please let me know
They require blood daily to feed on.
You are right Stealth, bluff and disguise work great for 1 to 3 vamps but 300 is another matter entirely. There's allways that one guy who just screw's the whole thing up for everyone.
If you are using the army system from Ultimate Campaign, the army will have a Consumption stat, and I suspect it's a rather high one for vampires.They're under your complete control per LazarX's quote.
Though, template RAW they do not need to feed as undead do not need to eat. There is an optional feed system in Blood of the Night.
But that system would require gold to feed your army
If I remember correctly (might or might not) it says something along the lines of it costs "1000 gold a month" to take care of this army that covers good and what not
If i'm wrong about this stuff sorry can't pull up every page to check pulling from memory because phone can't handle the amount of pages I would pull up
Undead do not breathe, eat, or sleep.
They require blood daily to feed on.
You are right Stealth, bluff and disguise work great for 1 to 3 vamps but 300 is another matter entirely. There's allways that one guy who just screw's the whole thing up for everyone.
Lol I would probably be that one guy
But as to the checks 300 people each aiding other lolAnd I would spread them out sewers to get around without notice carts with covers and of course using a fan/paper/something small to cover your face they will never find you
Or simpler cover your eyes if you can't see them they can't see you
Undead do not breathe, eat, or sleep.
that's what I thought and someone else mentioned it people said vampires are different ruling so it was a toss up
You are playing an undead so use the undead advantage: TIME
With a solid work ethic time gives you preperation, perspective, and leverage and thats why the bad guys usually win and the good guys have to invoke devine intervention to prevent there extension.
Like I said, there's an optional feed system in a splat book. It's not a core rule at all and even the splat book acknowledges this. In the splat book it says feeding is not a physical need but a psychological one. You can even get feats to delay your time between feedings. It doesn't take long to only need a weekly or even monthly feeding with those rules.
You are playing an undead so use the undead advantage: TIME
With a solid work ethic time gives you preperation, perspective, and leverage and thats why the bad guys usually win and the good guys have to invoke devine intervention to prevent there extension.
Well i'm going for the vampire army friend is going for lich/necro army so we will eventually take over the world
The biggest problem you'll have is ensuring loyalty to the vampires more than 1 step from you. Sure, you can order an order to be given until it reaches the right underling. However, you'll eventually deal with rebellion soon enough the moment one vampire orders his progeny to kill his master.
1. How do you feed 300 vamps regurlary?A large herd of cattle, sheep, etc. 300 vampires, in a settlement, all tending farms. You shouldn't have to kill the animals to feed, so you just drain a bit from each one every now and then. Ability damage heals over time, so it's a matter of having enough available that you can move in a cycle among them.
If you want to go the "it has to be humanoid" route: Goblins. Lots, and lots of goblins in cages. They reproduce quickly, are easy to take care of, and no one would care if a bunch of goblins disappeared. Same with kobolds, hobgoblins, and orcs. Though the last two are a bit stronger and would be harder to keep in mass quantities.
And in both cases, it may help you blend in. Being a farmer is inconspicuous, and buying all the food to keep your hidden goblin farm alive would make the people think you and your buddies were the ones eating it all. Mix both methods together, and you've got yourself a self-sustaining vampire town that doesn't draw attention to itself aside from the weird hours that its residents keep.
I like the way you think lol now how do you get goblins to consummate so you can eat them?
And bonus points if you can get goblins to take care of the cattle
Simple. Dominate them.
Simple. Dominate them.
forgot about that
Dominate will be one of your strongest allies. I expect most of your battles to be a series of will saves and "yes, master." Killing should only be required if an enemy is right in front of one of your minions about to attack and has otherwise made his saves. But, striving to dominate key religious figures, political, and social leaders will only hasten your success. Aboleths use dominate to rule nations. So can you.
I like the way you think lol now how do you get goblins to consummate so you can eat them?And bonus points if you can get goblins to take care of the cattle
They're goblins. They don't need sex to be incentivized.
As for goblins tending the farm, use hobgoblins. They're disciplined and would do it anyways, though they'd prefer to use slaves themselves.
Cool just got to find a farming town with hobgoblins using goblins as slaves then we quietly take control via dominate or intimidate or just good old fashion money then we eat goblins hobgoblins eat cattle as do the goblins
Any extra cattle we butcher/export become the largest cattle supplier in the continent (having either goblins hobgoblins or vampires reliving them) nice amount of money food and a great cover
Does complete coverage of the skin protect a vamp from the sun?
Iirc it just says exposure so I would think some sunscreen 9888 lol but I think as long as your covered like in the back of the wagon covered in a burlap or extreme clothing
If you want a mechanical means of handling an army go for Pages 234-251 in the Ultimate Campaign book. It has rules for how to make an army, how to handle mass combat, and many other things related to a army.
Undead do not breathe, eat, or sleep.
Vampires need blood, but the rules never said what how it worked. One of the AP's said they keep the number of created vampires to a certain number, and keep human slaves for food to account for this.
In a real game most GM's are going to come up with a way to account for this need for blood, even if the AP did not exist simply because that is how vampires traditionally work in modern entertainment.
I don't know what you're talking about but it's likely where the optional rule came from in Blood of the Night. Still, it's optional.
As a DM ive allways treated a vamp's need to feed as a major adiction to something nasty like Opium, with a 24 hour feeding requirement and nasty stat damage the longer they go without feeding.
As a DM ive allways treated a vamp's need to feed as a major adiction to something nasty like Opium, with a 24 hour feeding requirement and nasty stat damage the longer they go without feeding.
That could work and if we had to feed that much there wouldn't be a population anymore :)
Next thought what would happen if you drank angelic blood or demonic blood or the blood of a god!
Undead do not breathe, eat, or sleep.Vampires need blood, but the rules never said what how it worked. One of the AP's said they keep the number of created vampires to a certain number, and keep human slaves for food to account for this.
In a real game most GM's are going to come up with a way to account for this need for blood, even if the AP did not exist simply because that is how vampires traditionally work in modern entertainment.
But but but that's meta gaming lol
If my gm states I need to eat and my followers need to eat than there are plenty of goblin
Next thought what would happen if you drank angelic blood or demonic blood or the blood of a god!
no one has thoughts on tis
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Next thought what would happen if you drank angelic blood or demonic blood or the blood of a god!no one has thoughts on tis
*the vampire bard starts singing* "one is the loneliest number you could ever doooooooooo"