I can't wait to see it.
I saw it Saturday and loved it. I am going to see the 3D version later today.
That snowman creeps me out. Is it worth getting over my heebie jeebies to go see it?
Yes it is worth it and he doesn't show up until like 30 minutes into it anyway.
I agree the 3D effects were well done.
I wish the sorcerer class's abilities was more like Elsa's.
I am totally making Elsa a boss in my campaign world.
Well what class are you going to use? sorcerer? other?
Well what class are you going to use? sorcerer? other?
I personally feel no compulsion whatsoever for my NPCs to follow Pathfinder class rules. Especially my bosses. I usually do because it's just easier, but I've got tons of custom monsters and NPCs with unique abilities in my world.
If I decide to follow those rules, which I probably wouldn't for this character, I'd probably look at sorcerer elemental archetypes for a foundation, and then modify it to suit me.
I keep getting sad because I think this thread is about one of the two recent horror movies involving the word Frozen ("Frozen" and "The Frozen"), only to keep realizing it is the Disney Movie...
What makes you sad about that? Haven't you seen this move yet?
Well not really sad, but I don't have a desire to see the Disney Frozen, and really liked the ski-lift survival horror Frozen.
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Well if you don't like this then you will not like the movie.
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Was awful. I had no idea it was a musical. Good special effects etc but i was not expecting so much singing. Every few minutes the sister is singing. Needed more evil queen with more action scenes. I even fell asleep during the middle
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Disney animation + holiday and you didn't expect a musical?
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You didn't realise an animated Disney-film was a musical?
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Needs more Maleficient.
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I saw this last night, and it was pretty good. I liked how
I hope we get more of these "mature and responsible approach to romantic relationships" messages from Disney in the future, so they can start to undo all the damage from their previous movies in that regard.
I thought the visuals of the ice and snow were fantastic (lighting, reflections, transparency) and the sound effects were great as well such as the grinding noise of the ice in the harbor. Good stuff.
The story was ok and along the lines of similar Disney animated stories.
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Frozen deliberately turned several Disney tropes on their heads,
My daughter loves Disney and so we see pretty much every Disney movie made. I tend to view the movies much more critically than she does.
I liked "Frozen" more than any DIsney movie in a long time. I even liked the songs.
Far superior to "Tangled". At least as good, and I think slightly better than, "Brave."
I especially think "Frozen" is one of the best movies Disney has made for young girls.
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I'm getting mixed signals from people telling me a movie is "Better/worse than Tangled and Brave" because I really liked Tangled but didn't much care for Brave at all.
So telling me it's worse than both puts me in a bit of a position and better than both doesn't mean much to me. Definitely seeing it at some point after that video posted above though.
I think with those preferences you're bound to get mixed signals at all, since people have rated those two very differently all over. Most people I know (including myself) loved them both, with Brave a little higher than Tangled, so reactions and comparison to Frozen will be done with that in mind.
Best bet is to just go see it yourself at this point, as your preferences are enough off from most other people's that it'd be hard to get a real gauge of where your opinion will stand to theirs with just secondhand information.
My problem with "Tangled" is that it presents a very muddled morality tale for a Disney offering.
Plus those eyes...
brrrr.... those eyes...
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... DAT SONG.
O.O
EDIT: No, seriously, that song. Amazing. I can't tell whether it's a hero or villain song. AWESOME.
EDIT 2: Idna Menzel. IDNA MENZEL.
Must. See. Movie.
(Wicked* made me a fan of both she and Christen Chenoweth. Huuuuuge fan.)
* The musical being far, far better than the book! No offense to the book, I just found it frustrating and dry.
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Tactics, not sure if you're referring to the song in "Frozen" or not, but the song that comes to mind to me as a "DAT SONG" candidate would be "Let it Go" which I thought was an incredible song with a completely un-Disney hint of bad-girl awesomeness. Loved that song, loved the animation that went with it and loved the whole concept of the scene and its implications.
It's hard to think that discussing any of that could be a "spoiler" since it's all over the internet as a promo for the movie anyway, but that was totally cool.
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Tactics, not sure if you're referring to the song in "Frozen" or not, but the song that comes to mind to me as a "DAT SONG" candidate would be "Let it Go" which I thought was an incredible song with a completely un-Disney hint of bad-girl awesomeness. Loved that song, loved the animation that went with it and loved the whole concept of the scene and its implications.
It's hard to think that discussing any of that could be a "spoiler" since it's all over the internet as a promo for the movie anyway, but that was totally cool.
Yes, I am! It's the one linked by Dragon78 up above.
Here! I'll link it again! Because it needs to be linked!
It's amazing!
I've not seen the movie, but I'm really interested in doing so now.
I mean, even in 90's "Renaissance" period, oft considered the "height" of Disney-kiddiness, we got Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, and the abso-flippin'-amazing Hunchback of Notre Dame. Fart jokes aside, both Lilo and Stitch and Tarzan had some extremely mature themes, and dealt with them rather well. Pre-90s, you even had the amazing (and still personal favorite) Fox and the Hound. Holy crap, that is not and never was a "kids movie". It just happened to have cute talking animals in it. Phenomenal film.
I can understand why people don't like Tangled. I can't agree with them. Tangled is a great movie which, despite the fact that <SPOILER, see below*> is actually very pro-female-empowerment, from the villain to the primary characters. They just also happen to be feminine, which is interesting.
Relative to the "obey v. disobey" mixed moral, I can see the problems with that, but it's less encouraging children to blatantly disobey their authority figures (as I take it), and instead more think critically and act on what they know is true. Rapunzel is smart, honest, and genuinely good. She's an (over-all) obedient daughter, who usually does the right thing, and always keeps her word to the best of her ability. The ONE time she disobeyed was after eighteen years of doing otherwise, and, by all accounts at the end of the film, the once was, in fact, about the only time she ever followed that track.
(I do have a few problems with the film, but those are the same problems I have with most all Disney films of any nature or quality, so I'm not too concerned with it in Tangled specifically, as I love the other films, too.)
To me, Brave is a great movie hampered in success substantially by it's own advertising campaign. People went in expecting one movie, but they got quite a different one than what was promised them. A great movie, to be sure, but not the one they'd gone to the theater to see. That can create serious problems for a movie.
Both Brave and Tangled have a similar moral - not to kids, but to parents - to create an open and honest dialogue with your children and keep trying, and to genuinely and honestly listen to them when they're trying to tell you things. They may be a combination of ignorant, stupid, and crazy, but they're still great people trying to become adults and with potentially many things to teach you. They also both have subtle female-empowerment themes.
In any event, I will say Tangled is more the stereo-typed "Disney-esque" film than Brave is (which makes sense, as Brave is a Pixar venture). And if we're including Pixar, then I don't care what you think of the film, Ratatouille has some of the most mature subject matter handled in film and tackled reasonably well and about as tastefully as possible. Holy. Cow. (Many of Pixar's movies fall into this, however.)
Aaaaand I'll stop now.
... and besides, the interesting thing is that Flynn never really succeeded at "saving" Rapunzel, really. Ever. At least not any more than she saved herself. In every case, it was just as much - and usually more - her than him that did the saving.
Mostly what I learned from Frozen is that you should NOT be a parent in a Disney movie if you can help it.
You'll screw up your kids and die off before they come of age.
This is almost always true in Disney movies. Don't know why it took you so long!
(The other occasions generally have the parent being incompetent, incapable, ineffective, or corrupted. There are definitely a few exceptions, but for the most part...)
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Perhaps well-adjusted kids from happy families don't gravitate towards the entertainment medium in the same numbers as those who are tortured or have parental issues ;)
Heh, the "Disney parents are cursed" meme has been around since Bambi.
Just to address the moral ambiguity of Tangled a minute, it's not anything about "disobeying parents" that bothers me. It's the male "love interest" character who is an actual, by choice thief, who then gleefully abandons his comrades to prison and/or death as he does all he can to protect his own skin. Even after he meets Rapunzel, he continues to exhibit questionable morality.
The whole "redemption" thing falls sort of flat when he never does anything to actually redeem himself.
How about sacrificing his life to prevent her from willingly returning to captivity? He's no hero, but he does come around a bit.
Oh, he died? I must have missed that scene.
How about sacrificing his life to prevent her from willingly returning to captivity? He's no hero, but he does come around a bit.Oh, he died? I must have missed that scene.
But you have a point. He did eventually give Rapunzel the opportunity to make her own sacrifice. But did that make all of his previous perfidy OK?
Not to me.
Aladdin, by contrast, is a character who also "stole" but his situation was clearly a much more dire and understandable one, and when he did steal on screen, he gave the bread to starving children, providing evidence of his true inner nature.
The Tangled guy was not just a thief, he was in league with OTHER thieves, and abandoned them when his own neck was on the line. Not because he was forced into it, but apparently because he preferred it.
I know most people don't give a crap about that sort of thing in movies their kids watch.
But I'm a prude that way. I do care.
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But you have a point. He did eventually give Rapunzel the opportunity to make her own sacrifice. But did that make all of his previous perfidy OK?
Never said it did.
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Saw it a couple days ago and have been thinking about it ever since. I have a whole lot of great things to say about it. I enjoyed it, and it's about time we saw a kids-story like it.
However, there were a couple big issues (besides the disney "bad parenting for the sake of the plot" theme) that I had with the script-
(Big Spoilers Below)
We'll set aside the slightly too large helping of "big jewish family analog" and concentrate on the subtext.
The whole song is about how the family tries to convince Anna that Kristoff is the guy she should be involved with, even though she's already engaged to someone else. There's even a verse about how its ok for them to get involved with each other because they "don't see no ring."
That's bad enough, but then they go ahead and begin a marriage ceremony, which the main characters have to basically run away from.
Keep in mind this is right after Kristoff berates Anna for getting engaged to someone she just met. Kristoff's response was a great one, and much needed, but it's kinda undermined by the fact that his family turns around and tries to force them to do the exact same thing.
I'm probably reading too much into it, but it seems like all around the wrong message to send, especially considering the whole "fixer-upper" context.
Seriously, anyone who's ever dated anyone knows it's a terrible idea to get involved with a "fixer upper". Going into a relationship with the expectation of changing someone is a perfect way to make yourself and someone else miserable.
We see Prince Hans be a nice guy in every scene preceding his Heel Turn. Not just when the princess is around. Everywhere.
He spends a scene handing out blankets to the freezing people (weird for a guy who proves himself to be selfish and power hungry). It could be argued that he wants his "future subjects" to like him, but it still was done specifically to establish him as a nice person.
He specifically tells his troops not to hurt the queen (weird if he was planning on killing her). This makes no sense once his true motives are revealed.
So, when he finally shows his true colors, I wasn't surprised so much as I was confused, because what he said and did made no sense.
If he wanted to be king, he should have had the queen killed up on the mountain when he had the chance (she was unconscious after all). Then, when it was revealed that the princess was dying, he should have just kissed her, pretended to be heartbroken that nothing happened to break the curse, let her die, and then become king. All done, nice and neat.
If the writers wanted to tell a good story, they screwed it up right there. Stories are made by the motivations of the villain. This one botched it up. There were quite a few easy fixes, everything from foreshadowing, to jealousy causing a heel turn after it was revealed that Anna loved Kris. Instead the writers went with the stupid and easy route in order to manufacture a final conflict and avoid romantic confusion issues.
If they wanted to tell a morality tale it would have been the best and easiest fix possible. Hans and Anna kiss. Nothing happens. They have a sad moment, and Hans cracks a wry smile and says something about them moving too quickly to know how they really felt about each other. Olaf shows up, and Anna has her revelation about Kristoff. The rest of the finale continues as scripted, maybe even with Hans' help, replacing Hans' villainy with the Duke's.
I can forgive a lot of things in a disney movie. I really just can't handle lazy or nonsensical writing.
I can't for this one to come out on Blue Ray.
You missed the Important Haircut too then.
Or the fact that he attempted to prevent others who would claim Rapunzel for their own reward, or the fact that he risked his life to save her, or the fact that he actually admitted that being a thief wasn't a great thing (but instead explained that it was what he thought was a good thing).
He's not a pillar of moral uprightness, by any means, but it's made pretty clear that the two guys he was with were not good men. They were more than willing to kidnap and sell Rapunzel - he was not.
Point in fact, there were several points where killing might have been useful to him, but he wasn't willing to do so, or cause (or even threaten) real bodily harm to someone who was otherwise standing in his way and forcing him to do something dangerous to himself.
(POSTED WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY after the fact due to distractions. Someone might have already mentioned this.)
THAT SAID: no, he's not super-heroic. In fact, he's kind of just a normal orphan-turned-thief (due to circumstances and desire for money) who happens to be caught up in the events of the film and, ultimately, becomes a kind of hero because he risks everything for someone and surrenders what he valued most for her. Twice. (First the crown, and then his life.)
That he didn't actually pay the price after the fact doesn't negate his willingness to do so.
EDIT: he's like a less awesome Han Solo!
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Doomed Hero, I agree. The movie was beautiful to look at and listen to, but I had serious problems with lazy writing.
In addition to what you say above about the inappropriateness of the troll song and the sudden about-face with Hans:
Which leads to the big song. "Let It Go" is lovely to the eye and ear, but she's basically saying, "I'm tired of being isolated from everyone in a castle so I'll run up here on a mountain and isolate myself from everyone in a castle, albeit with better clothes and hair!" Was I supposed to be cheering that on? Am I supposed to think she's going to be happy living her life in a big, empty ice palace with no friends or family? The animation and music told me I was, but once again, running away from one's problems doesn't solve them.
Kristoff was raised by the trolls. So who were those dozens of men he was working with in the opening? It sure looked like he belonged with them. Where'd they go? And once again the troll "love experts" have resulted in an isolated young adult who shuns human contact.
And then the whole resolution made no sense. "Love can melt a frozen heart." (Once again, exactly the opposite advice given by the supposedly-good parents and trolls.) So... her just saying that makes the snow go away? Or ... believing it for the first time? Or ... what just happened?
Like I said, beautiful animation, beautiful music, some great characters and good laughs ... but it made my head hurt trying to work out what exactly happened with the plot.