Each of my alts will speak with a different typing quirk, each taken from Homestuck. Grickin, for instance, will speak in all caps like Karkat.
EDIT: In "seriousness", I agree that people should have the option of hiding their other accounts. I have no problem playing Lawful Good with one character and Chaotic Evil with another, but I can guess some people will just know both accounts as Kobold Cleaver and have exactly zero trust for either PC. As such, I'd like the freedom to keep my main account a relative secret.
However, I'm wondering if that's even possible. With all the hacks and work-arounds kids have these days, would it be futile to try and hide account name?
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I don't always roll with completely independent alts, but when I do, I use different linguistic patterns.I'd be a terrible Spy. I have a broader definition of "Proper Noun" than most folks...
That's exactly what you would want us to think if you were Blaeringr...
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I am 100% against a @handle type of thing of ANY sort. Basically unless you tell someone no one should know any character is connected in any way with another character or player, period.
for example I dont want my assassin to be associated in anyway with the public face I present to the community.
I would love to see all sorts of titles for sale and also titles earned in game.
In game titles could be slayer titles, goblin slayer and such.
bought would be nobility, religious, military, role specific, and other random ones.
Out of curiosity, will there be an ingame Bio people can click on? If so, a simple "Make Account Name Visible" option would solve pretty much all these problems.
I'm not so sure about noble and military titles, though. It feels a tad silly to put years into building up a great kingdom when there are noobs everywhere calling themselves "King" or "Emperor" or "Pope".
Well, sure, but there's a difference between letting someone claim to be an untitled noble and letting them claim to be Kings and Queens. It just seems to cheapen actual kingdoms if those titles are too easy to come by. ;D
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I am 100% against a @handle type of thing of ANY sort. Basically unless you tell someone no one should know any character is connected in any way with another character or player, period.
I completely agree. It goes against my longstanding campaign encouraging them to Never punish a player for using a single account.
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A Lady is an untitled noble (or a noble period, sort of). As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather titled nobles like Baron, Duke and Count (and bigger names like King, and similar honorifics like Abbot) not be available to anyone with a buck.
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A Lady is an untitled noble (or a noble period, sort of). As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather titled nobles like Baron, Duke and Count (and bigger names like King, and similar honorifics like Abbot) not be available to anyone with a buck.
I would have no problem with lots of "Kind <soandso>" in the River Kingdoms, where I get the impression that anyone who can get a few other folks to call them their King can actually be a King, even if they're only King of an Acre.
Hm...it would be kinda interesting if a would-be kingdom banned any members from using the King title.
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A Lady is an untitled noble (or a noble period, sort of). As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather titled nobles like Baron, Duke and Count (and bigger names like King, and similar honorifics like Abbot) not be available to anyone with a buck.
If titled titles are tied to their titles, that would create interesting dynamics...
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Here's an idea: The game could set Achievements (or whatever we'd call them) for accomplishments like running a town, running a party, building a shrine, etc.
Titles linked to these (and the accomplishments mentioned earlier, like killing # of goblins) could be called Achievement Titles. You get the achievement, the title becomes available. EDIT: To purchase, that is. You still gotta shell out for it.
Due to the relatively complexity of this system, it'd probably be best to save it for the more meaningful 'cheevs, and even that might be a bit much. It's something to consider.
In other words, Achievement Titles would work like levels: Buying the training time/title ain't enough.
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Currently the two names are planned to go together and combined must be unqiue, so there may be many Johns and many Smiths, but only one John Smith. But there could be Jon Smith, Jon Smyth, etc.
That is great news. Many games end up with a parade of ever-worsening names because the surname isn't actually counted as part of the actual name. Making the surname relevant should help.
...expect that whatever name you choose is likely to get changed at some point...
That, however, is nonsense. Why bother coming up with a good name to begin with if you're just going to have to change it anyway? May as well start with Placeholder Shytename if your initial choice is going to be treated like that regardless of what it is.
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...expect that whatever name you choose is likely to get changed at some point...That, however, is nonsense.
I'm hesitant to put words in Ryan's mouth, but I read that more as "don't have the expectation that your name can't be changed by the mods against your will even if you feel like there's nothing wrong with it".
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Currently the two names are planned to go together and combined must be unqiue, so there may be many Johns and many Smiths, but only one John Smith. But there could be Jon Smith, Jon Smyth, etc.That is great news. Many games end up with a parade of ever-worsening names because the surname isn't actually counted as part of the actual name. Making the surname relevant should help.
So expect that whatever name you choose is likely to get changed at some point and then you won't be disappointed if and when that happensThat, however, is nonsense. Why bother coming up with a good name to begin with if you're just going to have to change it anyway? May as well start with Placeholder Shytename if your initial choice is going to be treated like that regardless of what it is.
Because most people won't bother coming up with a suitable name in the first place, and therefore the base rate is "expect to have your name changed".
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I'm hesitant to put words in Ryan's mouth, but I read that more as "don't have the expectation that your name can't be changed by the mods against your will even if you feel like there's nothing wrong with it".
I would hope so, but I responded to what was posted rather than what I might hope to be the case.
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Know much German?Natürlich. Es gibt aber schon lange Zeit seit ich die Möglichkeit mit jemand zu sprechen gehabt habe.
Mir gefält wie die so gut zusammengesetzte Wörte für alle Gelegenheiten ausdenken können.
Translation:
"Course. But it was a long time ago when I had the opportunity to learn from my dog.""I can as well use Pig-German words that came from all my cats."
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P.S. Just kidding. Don't know any German. :P
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xD Shouldn't it be more along the lines of:
"Gefällt mir wie Sie können sich mit zusammengesetzten Wörtern für alles Gelegenheiten"? Or am I speaking crazy here.
"Gefällt mir" vs "mir gefällt" is just a small shift in emphasis. The first is on the verb, the second (how I phrased it) emphasizes myself in the sentence.
Sie is capitalized only when at the beginning of a sentence or when referring to the formal you. The rest of the pronouns are not by default capitalized.
"können sich mit..." that works too. Slightly different meaning. The way I said it emphasizes their creativity in coming up with compound words, the way you rephrased it emphasizes their knack for using them.
Wörtern...yes. Wörter and Wörte... I easily forget when which is appropriate.
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Currently the two names are planned to go together and combined must be unqiue, so there may be many Johns and many Smiths, but only one John Smith. But there could be Jon Smith, Jon Smyth, etc.What's the current uniqueness requirement? Is "John Smith" a collision with "John Smith " or "John -Smith"?
We will find as many ways to break your naming system as possible, whatever it is.
Will you prevent punctuation from being at the beginning or end of a name, to keep from having mess like John 'Smith and John Smith-?
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Our current naming scheme is:First Name:
Must start with a capital letter
Only the first letter may be capitalized
May only contain letters (no hyphens or apostrophes in first name)Last Name:
Is optional
Does not have to start with a capital letter
Any letter may be capitalized, but can only contain up to two capital letters
May use up to two special characters (hypen, apostrophe, or space)Right now we're looking at each of these having a character limit in the 10-15 range.
I don't think they've specifically disallowed Keovar's examples of John 'Smith and John Smith-. Yet.
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Yet.
Our current naming scheme is:
In case anyone is interested you can link directly to a post here on the Paizo board by right-clicking on the post's timestamp and select 'copy shortcut' to post into a URL= bracket set.
Example: Just replace my round parenthesis characters with square bracket characters.
Urman said (URL=http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qcgg&page=8?Character-Naming-Conventi ons#387)this here up there.(/url)
It comes out looking like:
Urman said this here up there.
I'm unsure whether this technique will work rightly on the Mac.
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pax they already went over that. and it is a yes.It's a title, not my name, and link?oh it is a title? I never would have guessed. hmm.
And go to goblin works' blogs, or earlier in this thread would be the easiest, if you really need links I can supply them.
"Pax" is a gaming community, and some of us have made "Pax ___" aliases to post under. I think it would have been more clear if it were formatted something like "___ Pax", but I didn't start it.
As to whether punctuation would be allowed at the beginning or end of a name, I think Urman's post clarifies the question.
As stated thus far, the following would all be unique names:
John Smith
John -Smith
John Smith-
John -Smith-
John Smith''
John Smith_ (underscore representing an extra space)
John Smith__ (two trailing spaces)
...and so on.
Extra spaces at the end of a surname are particularly bad, as they could make it trivial to impersonate other characters.
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@ Pax Keovar
If the Surname has a end checker to check for spaces at the end and remove them, it won't be a problem.
That method of space filling and trailing is easy to stop in the game.
I would hope so, but in the context of MVP design, I'm trying to assume the null hypothesis.
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Punctuation in character names makes customer service very hard.
"I was just harassed!"
"What was the name of the character that harassed you?"
"Uhm, it was something like Za'kk'-unlu'n ..."
What are the odds someone gets that gibberish right?
And you know who likes gibberish names?
People who intend to harass other people.
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Punctuation in character names makes customer service very hard.
"I was just harassed!"
"What was the name of the character that harassed you?"
"Uhm, it was something like Za'kk'-unlu'n ..."
What are the odds someone gets that gibberish right?
And you know who likes gibberish names?
People who intend to harass other people.
I get that, but we're discussing what Lee has said should be possible, and that includes some limited punctuation in the surnames. I don't think I'll use it myself, but he did say that a couple apostrophes, hyphens, or spaces would be possible in the surname, and the surname is included in the unique character name. I was asking if the punctuation would be disallowed at the beginning or end of the surname.
As to harassment, I hope people have the sense to screenshot the messages, but you could also make chat posts clickable with an option to report it.
You don't need punctuation to create gibberish that's hard to remember exactly. "Sassssy" from the last video is a prime example...
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I think we'll probably disallow punctuation/spaces to either side of the last name, though there may be a handful of uses that are somewhat valid. We probably ought to disallow special characters next to other special characters, as well.
The policy is trying to make it possible to do things like Ilse von Virholt, Seamus McDonald, Aric d'Isarn, Maria Fitz-Thompson, and Simone de Egorian that are reasonable last name constructions without opening the door to junky looking names.
And, as Ryan has pointed out, we reserve the right to force you to change a junky looking name no matter how long you've slipped it under the radar :) .
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I hate apostrophes in names. In some languages they actually mean something, but most people have no clue what they mean or how to use them and they just end up looking like a bunch of gaudy, tasteless rings decorating their hairy nipple of a name.
