One of my players created this spell and showed me it. I think that following the guidelines in the ultimate magic book, the construction is ok but i want an advice from other gamers before give my approval.
So give me your opinion^^
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School conjuration (creation); Level sorcerer/wizard 5, Magus 5, Summoner 4, Witch 5
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, M (A little vial of cold rime)
Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Area 20-ft.-radius spread
Duration 1 round/level (D)
Saving Throw: none; Spell Resistance: no
This spell causes a field of crystal ice vines to appear, burrowing up from the floor and reaching for any creature in the area.
The effect is the same of the black tentacles spell but the targets take an additional +1d6 of cold damage.
The vines created by this spell cannot be damaged, but they can be dispelled as normal. The entire area of effect is considered difficult terrain while the vines last.
+1d6 damage for 1 higher spell level? Seems fine to me.
I don't see the cold descriptor being added, if it was I might pause a bit to think about this spell with Rime metamagic.
I would put SR to yes. The cold wil be magical cold and the SR apply. And also conjuration is way too easy in the SR department.
A wizard in my old campain combined wall of fire with black tentacles as a level 5 spell with duration as wall of fire that worked very well.
But generally i dont think your spell is OP it is 1d6 more pr round pr victim that is not alot for the shift from 4 to 5.
Let him go with it and if he gets to cooky let some one steal his secret spell and use it for evil or against him.
Well, it looks like everything with the spell is exactly the same except it deals an extra d6 worth of cold damage? Am I missing anything?
If not, then I would certainly approve this spell. It's a level higher than black tentacles and only gains an extra d6 for damage, honestly I'd be asking for more for a spell slot increase, but for what the player is requesting it seems fine.
The only nitpick I have is that Summoners probably shouldn't get access to it. Black Tentacles itself doesn't appear on the Summoner spell list.
That looks fine to me, too.
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The only nitpick I have is that Summoners probably shouldn't get access to it. Black Tentacles itself doesn't appear on the Summoner spell list.
Good catch.
Yes, if he is a summoner, tell him no!Edit: tentacles is on the summoner list and at level 3 but consider telling him no any way.
Also he will need to do better than showing you the spell to get it he will ned to reserch it like the books tell him to:)
Mmm.. so you think that only adding 1d6 cold is too low?
And why not for summoner? Black tentacles is in his spell list?
Black tentacles is a 3rd-level summoner spell.
so waht do you think of this is better?
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School conjuration (creation); Level sorcerer/wizard 5, Magus 5, Summoner 4, Witch 5
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, M (A little vial of cold rime)
Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Area 20-ft.-radius spread
Duration 1 round/level (D)
Saving Throw: none; Spell Resistance: no
This spell causes a field of crystal ice vines to appear, burrowing up from the floor and reaching for any creature in the area.
The effect is the same of the black tentacles spell but the targets take an additional +1d6 of cold damage. and the bonus strenght rise to +5.
The vines created by this spell cannot be damaged, but they can be dispelled as normal. The entire area of effect is considered difficult terrain while the vines last.
I would probably have it to 2d6 cold since it is a higher level spell.
So +2d6 ? If i put +2d6 i must take out the powered strength bonus .
In this way this is the final spell
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School conjuration (creation); Level sorcerer/wizard 5, Magus 5, Summoner 4, Witch 5
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, M (A little vial of cold rime)
Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Area 20-ft.-radius spread
Duration 1 round/level (D)
Saving Throw: none; Spell Resistance: no
This spell causes a field of crystal ice vines to appear, burrowing up from the floor and reaching for any creature in the area.
The effect is the same of the black tentacles spell but the targets take an additional +2d6 of cold damage.
The vines created by this spell cannot be damaged, but they can be dispelled as normal. The entire area of effect is considered difficult terrain while the vines last.
I think I might keep it at +1d6 cold, but add an additional save vs being affected as by a slow spell if you suffer cold damage.
SR should in this case be "Yes (partial; see text)" and only apply to the cold damage and slow effect.
It's possible that this would make the spell too good for its level, though.
mmm. What do you think if i give give a +1d8 of cold damage and rise the strenght bonus for the cmb to 5?
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School conjuration (creation); Level sorcerer/wizard 5, Magus 5, Summoner 4, Witch 5
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, M (A little vial of cold rime)
Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Area 20-ft.-radius spread
Duration 1 round/level (D)
Saving Throw: none; Spell Resistance: no
This spell causes a field of crystal ice vines to appear, burrowing up from the floor and reaching for any creature in the area.
The effect is the same of the black tentacles spell but the targets take an additional +1d8 of cold damage and the strenght bonus to cmb rise to +5.
The vines created by this spell cannot be damaged, but they can be dispelled as normal. The entire area of effect is considered difficult terrain while the vines last.
My bad, about the summoner spell list. It wasn't listed in the spells PRD entry nor was it under 4th levels spells where I expected it to be.
This is another damn spell that summoners get at an earlier spell level.
ok i will approve this final stesure.
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FROST GRAPPLING VINES
School conjuration (creation); Level sorcerer/wizard 5, Magus 5, Summoner 4, Witch 5
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, M (A little vial of cold rime)
Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Area 20-ft.-radius spread
Duration 1 round/level (D)
Saving Throw: none; Spell Resistance: no
This spell causes a field of spikey ice vines to appear, burrowing up from the floor and reaching for any creature in the area.
The effect is the same of the black tentacles spell but the targets take an additional +1d6 of cold damage and the Strenght bonus is +5.
The tentacles created by this spell cannot be damaged, but they can be dispelled as normal. The entire area of effect is considered difficult terrain while the tentacles last.