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Just watched the second Hellboy flick. The fae prince dude is probably the kickass-est depiction of a dex/finesse fighter ever.
What's a good way to model his extending spear thingie in game terms? Transformative weapon seems like a step in the right direction but it doesn't really do exactly that, for instance you couldn't change it from a shortspear to a longspear since one is a one handed weapon and the other is a two handed weapon. Is it totally game breaking to be able to switch between reach and adjacent with a weapon?
How would you price the weapon quality Extending? +1? +2? Fixed cost?
Extending
Price: ???
Aura: Moderate Transmutation
CL: ???
This special quality can only be applied to two handed melee weapons. As a swift action the weapon gains the Reach special quality. Another swift action can be spent to return the weapon to its original size.
This is more of an Advice (how do I do it?) or Suggestions/House Rules/Homebrew (how do I change the rules to allow it?) question.
I wouldn't price it more than +1. It doesn't break the game, and burning a plus on it rather than a fixed cost already seems rather steep to me, but someone else might have a different take on it.
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Just watched the second Hellboy flick. The fae prince dude is probably the kickass-est depiction of a dex/finesse fighter ever.
Having seen the movie, I don't believe for a second he is a dex/finesse fighter at all.
Just watched the second Hellboy flick. The fae prince dude is probably the kickass-est depiction of a dex/finesse fighter ever.Having seen the movie, I don't believe for a second he is a dex/finesse fighter at all.
Really?
Really?Just watched the second Hellboy flick. The fae prince dude is probably the kickass-est depiction of a dex/finesse fighter ever.Having seen the movie, I don't believe for a second he is a dex/finesse fighter at all.
Yes. Why the incredulity?
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Yes. Why the incredulity?Really?Just watched the second Hellboy flick. The fae prince dude is probably the kickass-est depiction of a dex/finesse fighter ever.Having seen the movie, I don't believe for a second he is a dex/finesse fighter at all.
I hadn't seen the movie in a long ttme so I pulled up a youtube video of the fihgt scenes, and I saw him do a lot of impressive spinning and flips, dual wielding and finesse-y looking spear wielding. That was only about 5 minutes of a presumably 90 minute movie, but I think it was enough to make a case. I surely don't see how it could be argued he isn't one "at all". I mean, TWF does have a Dex prereq.
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I hadn't seen the movie in a long ttme so I pulled up a youtube video of the fihgt scenes, and I saw him do a lot of impressive spinning and flips, dual wielding and finesse-y looking spear wielding. That was only about 5 minutes of a presumably 90 minute movie, but I think it was enough to make a case. I surely don't see how it could be argued he isn't one "at all". I mean, TWF does have a Dex prereq.Yes. Why the incredulity?Really?Just watched the second Hellboy flick. The fae prince dude is probably the kickass-est depiction of a dex/finesse fighter ever.Having seen the movie, I don't believe for a second he is a dex/finesse fighter at all.
Not if you're a Ranger.
Not if you're a Ranger.I hadn't seen the movie in a long ttme so I pulled up a youtube video of the fihgt scenes, and I saw him do a lot of impressive spinning and flips, dual wielding and finesse-y looking spear wielding. That was only about 5 minutes of a presumably 90 minute movie, but I think it was enough to make a case. I surely don't see how it could be argued he isn't one "at all". I mean, TWF does have a Dex prereq.Yes. Why the incredulity?Really?Just watched the second Hellboy flick. The fae prince dude is probably the kickass-est depiction of a dex/finesse fighter ever.Having seen the movie, I don't believe for a second he is a dex/finesse fighter at all.
I don't believe for a second he is a ranger. At all.
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I hadn't seen the movie in a long ttme so I pulled up a youtube video of the fihgt scenes, and I saw him do a lot of impressive spinning and flips, dual wielding and finesse-y looking spear wielding.
Why do you connect spinning and flipping with finesse fighting? I just rewatched it and saw numerous occasions in which he was out-muscling Hellboy and decapitating "strong guys" in one cut. You don't slice through that much muscle and bone with precision alone.
He was fast--extremely fast--and that is entirely a matter of Strength, not Dexterity. I've experienced that first hand, actually. I was involved in some reenactment type fighting and faced a guy significantly larger and stronger than the people I was accustomed to fighting. Foolishly assuming he'd be slow, with poor recovery and thus easy to beat (thanks to every piece of media ever, especially video games and their "powerful guys are slow" rule of thumb), I quickly discovered that his strength made him the fastest fighter I'd ever encountered and it became a rather desperate situation for me.
Speed is a function of Strength.
The rest of what Nuada does is based on Skill. I think a lot of times, people see this kind of stuff in movies and books and video games and, because it's the way they're accustomed to playing, assume that the opposition these characters face is their level or thereabouts, thus making the wins more impressive. However, most of what goes on is Nuada just showcasing that he is vastly more skilled than anyone else he fights, and only Hellboy's raw physical talent is capable of matching him. Those strong dudes he fights with the bird face mask things are probably roughly Ogres to his level 10+ character--barely a distraction.
As for TWF requiring Dexterity, who cares? He's the BBEG. He can have a high enough Dexterity for TWF and a strength that's even higher. So, he is very much a Strength based fighter--and a very strong one at that--with a very high BAB. That's pretty much it.
As for how to do this mechanically, why make it magic? Why not just treat it like a Dorn-Dergar? That seems easiest to me. It could just be a mundane item with a close and reach mode that you can spend actions to switch between.
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I don't believe for a second he is a ranger. At all.
Why?
Being a Ranger, doesn't fit into only one kind of flavor.
You restrict yourself by class names.
You will never have the expansive number of available concepts by doing so.
Open your mind, and let the possibilities astound you.
If you must stay with such close-mindedness, then I am sorry for you.
I don't believe for a second he is a ranger. At all.
Why?
Being a Ranger, doesn't fit into only one kind of flavor.
You restrict yourself by class names.
You will never have the expansive number of available concepts by doing so.
Open your mind, and let the possibilities astound you.
If you must stay with such close-mindedness, then I am sorry for you.
I can't tell if you're countering my snark with your own and I'm missing it, or if you missed mine to begin with.
I hadn't seen the movie in a long ttme so I pulled up a youtube video of the fihgt scenes, and I saw him do a lot of impressive spinning and flips, dual wielding and finesse-y looking spear wielding.Why do you connect spinning and flipping with finesse fighting? I just rewatched it and saw numerous occasions in which he was out-muscling Hellboy and decapitating "strong guys" in one cut. You don't slice through that much muscle and bone with precision alone.
He was fast--extremely fast--and that is entirely a matter of Strength, not Dexterity. I've experienced that first hand, actually. I was involved in some reenactment type fighting and faced a guy significantly larger and stronger than the people I was accustomed to fighting. Foolishly assuming he'd be slow, with poor recovery and thus easy to beat (thanks to every piece of media ever, especially video games and their "powerful guys are slow" rule of thumb), I quickly discovered that his strength made him the fastest fighter I'd ever encountered and it became a rather desperate situation for me.
Speed is a function of Strength.
The rest of what Nuada does is based on Skill. I think a lot of times, people see this kind of stuff in movies and books and video games and, because it's the way they're accustomed to playing, assume that the opposition these characters face is their level or thereabouts, thus making the wins more impressive. However, most of what goes on is Nuada just showcasing that he is vastly more skilled than anyone else he fights, and only Hellboy's raw physical talent is capable of matching him. Those strong dudes he fights with the bird face mask things are probably roughly Ogres to his level 10+ character--barely a distraction.
As for TWF requiring Dexterity, who cares? He's the BBEG. He can have a high enough Dexterity for TWF and a strength that's even higher. So, he is very much a Strength based fighter--and a very strong one at that--with a very high BAB. That's pretty much it.
As for...
But who says dex fighter can't be strong? He was definitely getting his AC from dex, and likely Dodge and Mobility, not armor. So we have a Dex based defense, and TWFing is typically a dex based offense. He just also happened to have strength behind his attacks.
I think either interpretation is valid. I wasn't so much against him not being a dex fighter, I just think it's not so certain a thing. He may just have 18s across the board and do as he pleases.
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I can't tell if you're countering my snark with your own and I'm missing it, or if you missed mine to begin with.I don't believe for a second he is a ranger. At all.
Why?
Being a Ranger, doesn't fit into only one kind of flavor.
You restrict yourself by class names.
You will never have the expansive number of available concepts by doing so.
Open your mind, and let the possibilities astound you.
If you must stay with such close-mindedness, then I am sorry for you.
It's text.
Snark doesn't translate well.
I didn't even know Hellboy was set in the Pathfinder universe.
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Fighter's Fork.
Perfect. Subtract the price of a trident and replace with the price of a longspear and Nails is in business.