Does a lvl 4 crossblooded sorcerer qualify Arcane Trickster?


Rules Questions

Scarab Sages

With the one less spell the crossblood doesn't know a level 2 spell but can cast metamagic augmented spells at level 2, at least that is what I understand it as. I know that if I take the extra spell feat at level 7 for the extra spell, I can know one and fully qualify, but is the "ability to cast level 2 spells" met regardless?
Thank you.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I'd have to agree with Shin. You've delayed your ability to cast 2nd level spells by taking the archetype, so that means you're taking at least one more level of sorcerer before you can qualify.


If you have a race that gives you a 2nd level spell-like ability you can still qualify though.

You might have a case for using Heighten Spell, but that's dubious at best.

Scarab Sages

I've double checked my info; if you use Hero Lab a 4th Level Crossblooded does permit you access to your 2nd level spells. However, hero lab is still fallible and has been wrong on occasion.

When it comes down to it, you're permitted 2nd level spells, but as a 4th Level Cross-Blooded you technically don't know one to cast. So you could argue that point. And casting Level One spells Metamagic'd to 2 still counts a level one spell. Heighten is that exception, but I'd expect a lot of backlash for trying to break a build.

Silver Crusade

I suspect that hero labs counts the -1 spell to give an allowed number of zero, and then Charisma of 14+ enhances that for +1 2nd level spell.


I would say yes, you have the ability to cast second level spells, you just don't know any.

Spells slots and spells known are separate abilities. The prerequisite is NOT knowing 2nd level spells.


Except for Heighten Spell and spell-like abilities, how can you cast 2nd level spells if you don't know any?


Azten wrote:
Except for Heighten Spell and spell-like abilities, how can you cast 2nd level spells if you don't know any?

The prereq is able to cast 2nd level spells. My spells per day chart says I can cast 2nd level spells. Anything else beyond that is asking for requirements not included in the prereqs.


5 people marked this as a favorite.

I thought you could cast 2nd level spells if you have a weapon cord attached to the spells per day chart


Your spells per day gives you 2nd level spell slots, not spells known.

Scarab Sages

4,000gp for a page of spell knowledge of a 2nd level spell... now you know and can cast a 2nd level spell.

Dark Archive

Barrett Krieger wrote:

4,000gp for a page of spell knowledge of a 2nd level spell... now you know and can cast a 2nd level spell.

If anyone argues that, a ring of spell knowledge for 6,000 gp will give you the spell known and have the benefit of never coming off.

Scarab Sages

LazarX wrote:
I'd have to agree with Shin. You've delayed your ability to cast 2nd level spells by taking the archetype, so that means you're taking at least one more level of sorcerer before you can qualify.

I don't think that this is what is meant by the drawback of the crossbreed. It is a hurdle to be overcome as any. You still have only 1 spell at level 5 rather than the usual 2. And can have more if you apply yourself, as in Expanded Arcana. There are wondrous items for it as well it seems.

Also, I meant that the 4 spell slots can be used to cast intensified/focused/extended level 1 spells (for example) as long as you have the +1 spell level metamagic feat.

I don't think that anybody can go against a level 4 Crossbreed with the Expanded Arcana feat. It even seems that you can take that feat for a level 2 spell at level 3 and know a spell you can't cast. Also, a wizard can, by RAW, learn higher levels spell than he can cast, not needed in most cases, but possible.

A wizard that took a prestige class eventually can cast higher level spells, but doesn't know any. So, do you mean to say that a wizard cannot therefore cast that level spell? No. And he can prepare in those slots metamagic spells, not knowing a single spell that level.

This is exactly the same scenario. Just more expensive way to learn spells. It just seems to me that ability may be looked at in two ways, spell slots and spells know. Spell slots is the harder thing to get of the two and to me signifies ability, but I can see the argument that no actual level 2 spells can be cast without knowing at least one, but nowhere does it say that you can't cast level 2 spells until level 5.

I'm sorry, I thought this question would have a straighter answer.

Community / Forums / Pathfinder / Pathfinder First Edition / Rules Questions / Does a lvl 4 crossblooded sorcerer qualify Arcane Trickster? All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.