I picked up the Base Set a week or so ago, and happily went about dividing all the cards into their appropriate locations with the diagram in the rulebook. But there's a LOT of space left - I'm specifically thinking about the henchmen space, for example.
Is the intent for me to break out the adventure packs and sort the cards into their respective sections? And if that's the case, then why on earth would I want to have space within the box to hold the adventure deck/character deck add-on boxes, if all their contents are going to be spread throughout the rest of the thing?
If that's not the intent, then where are all the cards that will fill this baby up going to come from?
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The Adventure Card game is designed for supplemental releases of card decks to fill out the game.
In addition to the Boxed set you will need to purchase at least 6 other decks.
To quote the blurb directly at the top of the page for the Pathfinder Adventure Game
"Your adventure begins with a Base Set containing nearly 500 cards, including the first chapter of an Adventure Path that offers your characters interesting locations to explore, monsters to fight, and villains to hunt down, as well as piles of weapons, spells, armor, loot, and everything you need to build you own unique character deck.
Expand your party with the Expansion Deck, which offers additional character classes along with more equipment and other options for customizing your character, and lets you bring up to 6 players to the gaming table!
The adventure continues in bimonthly Adventure Decks containing 110 cards that extend the Adventure Path begun in the Base Set, adding new scenarios, monsters, villains, weapons, spells, allies, loot, and more! Subscribe to the line to have each new release delivered directly to you. Subscribers receive a 20% discount off MSRP on each new release."
Tells you up front that you need additional decks to be released later.
Right. But are these cards going to come out of the Adventure Decks? If I pull all the cards out of the Skinsaw Murders deck when I buy it next month and distribute all of them through their respective card locations, why do I need a huge space for an empty Skinsaw Murders box? If I buy the Character Expansion pack, and put all the cards through their spaces, why do I need space for that box inside the Base set?
It just seems to me that they've given me two spaces for every card that's to come, and I'm wondering if I'm missing something.
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The only justification I've seen for having the space for the boxes is that you have to completely banish some cards (back to their boxes, so they're not in the game at all any more) as you move through the AP. E.g. once you get to Scenario #3 you completly banish (out of the game) any basic cards that are banished by a game effect.
Having said that, I'd much rather just have bigger spaces for the card types and some dividers to separate out 'in game' and 'out of game' cards!
Those 'empty box' spaces are cool to look at and in theory, but if you sleeve your cards, you realize they aren't that useful.
I threw away the character add on box LOL (Tore it open) so that's one 'slot' that will never be used.
I can't see any reason for so much space, the box could have been half the size!
Edit: No wait! If I take out the insert and make my own one it'll be big enough so I can sleeve the cards PLUS throw in my own designs :)
Well, the space for the boxes is useful for storing extra dice and some awesome standees too :)
You will have noticed that with the base set that less than half are Basic cards. That's not many to remove after adding deck 1, 2 and 3.
Also notice the size of the spaces in the box. There's going to be a lot more henchmen yet.
That's fair, I suppose, but I can't help but feel it would have been much more space-efficient to just give us one row for "removed" cards, rather than space for boxes.
Not opening the adventure deck box until you play that adventure isn't really necessary. Hell, with the cardboard and space you save from eliminating the box holders, give us thick cardboard dividers to use to split "in-use" cards from "upcoming" cards. I made my own for precisely that purpose.
So what will you do when you're done with the game for a few months after the last adventure pack is released and then decide to start fresh?
If they made a section specifically for 'not in use cards' it'd have to be space for 660 cards. And then they'd have had to print dividers to be able to separate them between not in use yet, not in use now, and then dividers for each individual adventure pack so you could see where one ends and the next begins, which increases costs.
Add on that as it stands now, the game is highly collectible and resellable in the long run since the adventure packs easily fit within the box, so if you go to sell it, you can say "Oh, and it has all the original packaging, even for the adventures!"
How many games can say that? Most collectors that want to do something like that end up with a stack of boxes that get separated easilly and lost/stolen.
Having everything fit in one box all nice and tidy is a plus in my book, even if a lot of people think the space could have been better used.
I think you're right (from the cards currently available) - there are no 'random H/V/L effects'
I'm confused - The way you guys keep talking about banishing cards you're saying they should be permanently removed from the game (adventure path) outright? The rulebook states that they should return to their decks inside the box.
Then once we start Adventure 3, all basic cards should be removed from all decks within the box (at which point I plan on returning them to their respected adventure boxes, and core game cards will go in the adventurer add-on box).
Am I wrong in either of those two thoughts?
Yep, you're wrong on your second thought.
When you start Adventure 3, a special effect kicks in, but you DO NOT immediately go through and remove all the basic cards from the box. You only remove them after you encounter them over the course of a scenario. Please read the adventure path card.
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Yes. Minus whatever your remove from the box after AP3 starts.
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Note that some of the banes also have the Basic (and Elite) traits - so they will get removed at some point.
that's more than 30% of the cards of the next Chapter being henchmen. Going to be interesting...
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I would expect that in every adventure deck. There are 5 scenarios per deck, and each one needs to have enough villains and henchmen for 8 locations, if you're playing with 6 players. So that's 5 villains and 35 henchmen in each deck, assuming they don't repeat. Or there could be more villains in special circumstances, such as an adventure with more than one, or The Sandpoint Devil.
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Well, you'll be removing monsters from the game as you go, but you won't be removing henchmen, so...
Actually, you will probably be removing henchmen as well. Other than closing out a location or something that summons them, I don't think they are used much anymore. Looking at The Skinshaw Murder, it has its own henchmen and don't use any of the old Henchmen.