A few sessions ago we encountered this crazy witch with a bunch of cats...Long story short they were her "husbands" bound to wedding rings she wore for each thru a baleful polymorph spell and I became husband #10!...The party managed to defeat her after I was polymorphed into a black cat and I was returned to normal after "my ring" was put on me...
When the ring is on my finger I am normal but when it is removed I revert back to a cat retaining level, abilities, intelligence, etc...Since this is a permanant effect I am going to have to deal with it for awhile...And it has come in handy already being able to sneak around unnoticed and the like...
After a discussion with the GM we have come up with a way to remove the ring and retain it in my possession while I change into a cat but my question is how do I get it back on by myself since cats have no thumbs!?...Enchant it with mage hand?... Any suggestions?
Another question is how do I rid myself of this if I choose to in the future?...Wish spell?...Could Dispel Magic on the ring work?
Upside is I'm a widower and will be looking into my late wifes property and possessions!...hehe
Polymorph any object cast on the cat form could possibly do the trick, turning you back into human permanently. Mage disjunction could also work, especially if cast on the ring when worn. Dispel magic is a tricky one. It can get rid of regular baleful polymorph, unless it was made into an actual curse or embedded into ring as a magic item.
EDIT: Also, an obligatory link in such circumstances...
Polymorph any object cast on the cat form could possibly do the trick, turning you back into human permanently. Mage disjunction could also work, especially if cast on the ring when worn. Dispel magic is a tricky one. It can get rid of regular baleful polymorph, unless it was made into an actual curse or embedded into ring as a magic item.
I can only assume the ring isn't a typical magical item since she was wearing one on each finger...Thanks...I will look into those spells
Wear the ring on your tongue as a cat to turn back?
Upside is I'm a widower and will be looking into my late wifes property and possessions!...hehe
You'll have to split it 10 ways, won't you?
Another question is how do I rid myself of this if I choose to in the future?...Wish spell?...Could Dispel Magic on the ring work?
Sounds like a curse to me, cursed items are usually stuck on their wearers though.
After a discussion with the GM we have come up with a way to remove the ring and retain it in my possession while I change into a cat but my question is how do I get it back on by myself since cats have no thumbs!?...Enchant it with mage hand?... Any suggestions?
With lots of time and effort? You could get your friends to do it I'd imagine. Or you could talk it out with your GM and somehow turn it into a ring that just lets you turn forward and back with a standard action and merge into your form like a polymorph effect but have a cool roleplay appearance like a necklace, bracelet, ring for your cat, or appearance on your fur. Your playing with houserules anyway, right?
Wear the ring on your tongue as a cat to turn back?
Lol...Believe me I have argued the dexterity that cats possess and I should be able to put my paws into the ring no problem but you know GMs!...
Put your tail through it?
Upside is I'm a widower and will be looking into my late wifes property and possessions!...heheYou'll have to split it 10 ways, won't you?
Another question is how do I rid myself of this if I choose to in the future?...Wish spell?...Could Dispel Magic on the ring work?Sounds like a curse to me, cursed items are usually stuck on their wearers though.
After a discussion with the GM we have come up with a way to remove the ring and retain it in my possession while I change into a cat but my question is how do I get it back on by myself since cats have no thumbs!?...Enchant it with mage hand?... Any suggestions?With lots of time and effort? You could get your friends to do it I'd imagine. Or you could talk it out with your GM and somehow turn it into a ring that just lets you turn forward and back with a standard action and merge into your form like a polymorph effect but have a cool roleplay appearance like a necklace, bracelet, ring for your cat, or appearance on your fur. Your playing with houserules anyway, right?
Hehe...10ways is actually down to 2...Explosions and a sinking ship resulted in only 2rings left...But that is so funny!
The idea is if say we are separated I can do this on my own to get the ring back on...
Put your tail through it?
It was ruled it had to go onto my finger/paw...
Well in real life, some cats have extra digits that act a lot like thumbs....but its a lot funnier for you to have to rely on party members to switch you back. :D
Well in real life, some cats have extra digits that act a lot like thumbs....but its a lot funnier for you to have to rely on party members to switch you back. :D
Oh its funny!... Actually its an awesome adventure so far and I am planning on using "this" to get out of trouble in the future:)
Hehe...10ways is actually down to 2...Explosions and a sinking ship resulted in only 2rings left...But that is so funny!
Right... 'Accidents'. I getcha'.
I can see an attempt at the cure instead become a modification of the curse. You then become THIS
I can see an attempt at the cure instead become a modification of the curse. You then become THIS
What is even funnier that I'm 1level away from Duelist!
The situation is ripe for countless tasteless jokes.
You married a witch? You and me both mister.
There is also an obvious joke about how your wife turned you into a...cat... but I will keep this family friendly.
Anyway, since I feel compelled to make at least an attempt at being useful: What class are you? Any access to spells of your own? Also level might help.
Here is an idea: the extra traits feat, and take the magical talent trait to get Mage hand as an SLA. SLA's lack all components, so you can use them even when you are a cat. The feat will also give you another trait left over, which can always be nice. Although I do suppose a feat is a steep price, and depending on circumstances you could have to level up twice to do this. ..And it would be a wasted resource when you finally find out how to undo the problem.
The situation is ripe for countless tasteless jokes.
You married a witch? You and me both mister.
There is also an obvious joke about how your wife turned you into a...cat... but I will keep this family friendly.
Anyway, since I feel compelled to make at least an attempt at being useful: What class are you? Any access to spells of your own? Also level might help.
Here is an idea: the extra traits feat, and take the magical talent trait to get Mage hand as an SLA. SLA's lack all components, so you can use them even when you are a cat. The feat will also give you another trait left over, which can always be nice. Although I do suppose a feat is a steep price, and depending on circumstances you could have to level up twice to do this. ..And it would be a wasted resource when you finally find out how to undo the problem.
Hehe...I feel my GM is possibly sending a message!...
Class is Fighter/Rogue(6)and race is Drow noble so I do have dispel magic 1/time day
I'd be careful with Disjunction and the like; it might be the case that being a cat is now your natural form and the magic of the ring merely allows you to turn into a human while worn. In any case a carefully worded Wish world fix the problem.
So what you really need is an amulet of Polymorph Self, which will allow you to turn into a human long enough to put the ring on.
The situation is ripe for countless tasteless jokes.
You married a witch? You and me both mister.
There is also an obvious joke about how your wife turned you into a...cat... but I will keep this family friendly.
Anyway, since I feel compelled to make at least an attempt at being useful: What class are you? Any access to spells of your own? Also level might help.
Here is an idea: the extra traits feat, and take the magical talent trait to get Mage hand as an SLA. SLA's lack all components, so you can use them even when you are a cat. The feat will also give you another trait left over, which can always be nice. Although I do suppose a feat is a steep price, and depending on circumstances you could have to level up twice to do this. ..And it would be a wasted resource when you finally find out how to undo the problem.
Hehe...I feel my GM is possibly sending a message!...
Class is Fighter/Rogue(6)and race is Drow noble so I do have dispel magic 1/time day
I could take another rogue talent for Minor Magic/Mage Hand...but can I cast this in cat form?
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I would, personally, polymorph into a rock mole then eat the ring, turning you human, making you effectively immune to polymorph, and not taking up a ring slot!
(Nethack reference. Doesn't work in d&d)
Seriously though, breaking this isn't too hard- mage's disjuntion on self, removes all non-instantaneous magic effects, no save, no check, nothing.
If you don't have access to that, a rod of cancelation will do the trick.
(Rods of cancelation can destroy sphere's of annihilation... So this shouldn't be beyond that...)
Mage hand cannot be used to lift magic objects, but all spell like abilities have no components, and as such, can be cast in any form.
I think you will find Cat's have a dewclaw, a vestigial digit which could function like a thumb if the ring shrank (given the nature of how you acquired it I would say that would only be fair).
I will argue this point!...hehe
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I would, personally, polymorph into a rock mole then eat the ring, turning you human, making you effectively immune to polymorph, and not taking up a ring slot!
(Nethack reference. Doesn't work in d&d)Seriously though, breaking this isn't too hard- mage's disjuntion on self, removes all non-instantaneous magic effects, no save, no check, nothing.
If you don't have access to that, a rod of cancelation will do the trick.
(Rods of cancelation can destroy sphere's of annihilation... So this shouldn't be beyond that...)Mage hand cannot be used to lift magic objects, but all spell like abilities have no components, and as such, can be cast in any form.
Rod of cancelation...ThankYou!
Warning!
It is a one use item, and will distroy any magic object or spell it comes in contact with. Be very, very careful.
It will also run you 12500 gp.
Edit- i was wrong, i don't know where i got that price.
It's 11000 gp.
Also, on a re-reading, it only works on magic /items/ and spheres of anhilation.
Doesn't work on people or spell effects.
Warning!
It is a one use item, and will distroy any magic object or spell it comes in contact with. Be very, very careful.It will also run you 12500 gp.
Oof!...I will keep that in mind...thx
Why hasn't anyone mentioned Remove Curse yet? Granted, that would probably permanently remove your ability to become a cat, but isn't this exactly the sort of thing that spell was made for?
Yes, but if he made a thread for it, i assumed that remove curse had been tried.
If it hasn't, then why hasn't it?
Why hasn't anyone mentioned Remove Curse yet? Granted, that would probably permanently remove your ability to become a cat, but isn't this exactly the sort of thing that spell was made for?
That would be awesome since most spells recommended are 9th level...lol
I think you will find Cat's have a dewclaw, a vestigial digit which could function like a thumb if the ring shrank (given the nature of how you acquired it I would say that would only be fair).I will argue this point!...hehe6th picture down - apologies for the cheesy web-site:
http://www.cat-talk-101.com/cat-claws.html
Will be fwding this to GM:)
Now, if you want a way to use the ring while in cat form, unseen servant is the key.
A 1/hour a level spell that can manipulate up to 25 pounds of magical or nonmagical material at will for the duration.
1st level spell.
Yes, but if he made a thread for it, i assumed that remove curse had been tried.
If it hasn't, then why hasn't it?
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+Anybody else here think of Bewitched when reading this thread?
Nothing has been tried.Gathering ideas for next gaming session...
Oh, and i am so using a similar concept for a cursed item in one of my eventual campaigns....
I like cursed items....
Honestly, when i do dm, my players worst enemy is curiosity.
I could take another rogue talent for Minor Magic/Mage Hand...but can I cast this in cat form?
Ah, that is a better option, since it is 3/day, right? Anyway, to answer your question:
Spell-Like Abilities (Sp)
Usually, a spell-like ability works just like the spell of that name. A spell-like ability has no verbal, somatic, or material component, nor does it require a focus. The user activates it mentally. Armor never affects a spell-like ability's use, even if the ability resembles an arcane spell with a somatic component.
So as long as you are conscious and not under the negative mental effects of a baleful polymorph (but this discussion would be moot then, since there would never be discussion of how you can get the ring back on yourself when using a cat brain), then yes, you can use your SLAs. You can do it stealthily too (I never was sure what kind of skill check that would include if you did it in front of someone. Bluff, or maybe sleight of hand?)
I could take another rogue talent for Minor Magic/Mage Hand...but can I cast this in cat form?Ah, that is a better option, since it is 3/day, right? Anyway, to answer your question:
So as long as you are conscious and not under the negative mental effects of a baleful polymorph (but this discussion would be moot then), then yes, you can use your SLAs. You can do it stealthily too (I never was sure what kind of skill check that would include if you did it in front of someone. Bluff, or maybe sleight of hand?)
Spell-Like Abilities (Sp)
Usually, a spell-like ability works just like the spell of that name. A spell-like ability has no verbal, somatic, or material component, nor does it require a focus. The user activates it mentally. Armor never affects a spell-like ability's use, even if the ability resembles an arcane spell with a somatic component.
Won't work.
Everyone seems to ignore this line on Mage hand-
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target one non-magical, unattended object weighing up to 5 lbs.
Duration concentration
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance no
Now, if you want a way to use the ring while in cat form, unseen servant is the key.
A 1/hour a level spell that can manipulate up to 25 pounds of magical or nonmagical material at will for the duration.
1st level spell.
That is good...Idea is to have a cord/chain looped thru ring and wrapped around wrist when worn but put around neck before ring removed...Could have this enchanted with this spell as necklace...
The approximate gp value as of magic item creation for a necklace of constant unseen servant at CL 1 is 2000 gp.
For 2000 gp, you basically have 25 pound minor telepathy, allowing your cat form to do a lot more.
Won't work.
Everyone seems to ignore this line on Mage hand-
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target one non-magical, unattended object weighing up to 5 lbs.
Duration concentration
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance no
I still feel like I could game this, maybe targeting a stick to manipulate the ring for you, but in the end it is over complicated and easily rejected by a GM. Plus, Unseen Servant is a demonstrably better solution.
Still, getting THAT spell as an SLA to cast without any components might still be a great option. With 1 hour per level, using your rogue level for caster level, then you could easily put on and take off the ring for a good part of the day as you sneak around in plain sight. Admittedly, it would take getting both minor and major magic Rogue talents. Might be an even worse investment of resources when you could just go for a remove curse.
Could probably modify the ring to not take up a magic item slot. That would solve the issue, I imagine.
Other options-
Since this is obviously a home game, give it the weapon enchantment- called- allows you to teleport the "weapon" to your "hand" at will.
Haunted shoes.
Tie a wand of unseen servant to your back, then UMD.
Ring of spell storing
Make it intellegent, and have it able to cast unseen servant itself 3/day for a total of
500 gp for intellegence + 1200 gp for 1st lv spell 3/day
Or 1700 gp
Could probably modify the ring to not take up a magic item slot. That would solve the issue, I imagine.
I think if at all possible, he wants to be able to become a cat and back of his own accord.
At least, i would, so I'm putting ways to do that here.
Options are good.
If your GM agrees that as you are a cat, Anthropomorphic Animal will work on you, get a limited use magic item with that spell. Activate the item, slip on the ring and voila!