Supernatural's Castiel as PC


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How wold you handle Castiel as a PC? And to a lesser extent Sam and Dean?
SPOILERS!!!!

Since the end of last season he might be completely human, so he could probably be played without a Level Adjustment.

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Note: This is a thought exercise more than anything else. I'm too lazy to GM and I probably will never get to play Castiel, so you don't have to spend hours doing a full write up on him. (Did get to play Tom and Crow as a one off though-got killed, but as per the show they had many other copies of themselves laying about :))

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Cas is going to be a handful. We're talking about a probably mid to high level angel. Not to mention he at one time had either Mythic Tiers, or was a Mythic creature (that whole power of God thing). The first to do is decided where he first in the good aligned outsiders. I'm at a toss up between angel and archon... More to come.


It's particularly hard since Cas' power level fluctuates through out the show. From High Ranking Angel to well-God, to basically human.
That's why I'm not asking for full write ups that will take hours out of people's lives.


It'd be simpler to treat him as one of 3 angel creatures: When you first see Cas, he's a standard Angel level character, such as an Astral Deva. When he first makes the deal with Crowley, he'd evolve to a Planetar.

Once he gets the souls from Purgatory, he would bump up to a Solar.

As for him being human, a simple fix would be to start him as a Level 1 Aasimar with the Scion of Humanity racial trait, to try and resemble that he was once an angel, but now a mere mortal (human, more or less).


I don't think level one would cut it for Cas; even as a human, he has 2000 years of battle experience and combat training, on top of the sheer amount of mystical knowledge he would have acquired along the way. As one of Chucks oldest creations (after the Leviathan), an angel would be a font of weird knowledge.

Even when he was cut off from heaven, he regularly beat down other, full powered angels in hand to hand combat. At that point, he lacked most of his mojo and had to rely on brute force. Now, he's in the same boat.


King_Of_The_Crossroads wrote:

I don't think level one would cut it for Cas; even as a human, he has 2000 years of battle experience and combat training, on top of the sheer amount of mystical knowledge he would have acquired along the way. As one of Chucks oldest creations (after the Leviathan), an angel would be a font of weird knowledge.

Even when he was cut off from heaven, he regularly beat down other, full powered angels in hand to hand combat. At that point, he lacked most of his mojo and had to rely on brute force. Now, he's in the same boat.

It seems like an inconsistency, to be completely honest. While cut off from heaven, it's true he didn't have much power, but at the same time Angels who use vessels are also in a weaker state; they condense themselves into a humanoid body, whereas Castiel's true form is the size of a Tarrasque or bigger, and is also in its unaltered state.

So even if he went "toe to toe" with the other angels while cut off from heaven, it wasn't because he was extremely powerful, it was because the angels more-or-less condensed their power.

Even if we take an empowered Castiel, with all of the power he apparently possessed, he still needed the souls from Purgatory to turn Raphael into a blood splot. Take Castiel into his true form, and he'll turn more than that into blood splots just by all of the space he takes up. After all, his mere presence with his true form burns out the eyes of mortals, whereas a vessel is just a human possession, which causes these great beings to lose some of their most powerful traits.

It's true that Castiel has shown great physical combat, though whenever he is left "powerless," like many other people, they don't really fight too well.


This is a vessel. My true form is approximately the size of your Chrysler Building.


Darksol the Painbringer wrote:
King_Of_The_Crossroads wrote:

I don't think level one would cut it for Cas; even as a human, he has 2000 years of battle experience and combat training, on top of the sheer amount of mystical knowledge he would have acquired along the way. As one of Chucks oldest creations (after the Leviathan), an angel would be a font of weird knowledge.

Even when he was cut off from heaven, he regularly beat down other, full powered angels in hand to hand combat. At that point, he lacked most of his mojo and had to rely on brute force. Now, he's in the same boat.

It seems like an inconsistency, to be completely honest. While cut off from heaven, it's true he didn't have much power, but at the same time Angels who use vessels are also in a weaker state; they condense themselves into a humanoid body, whereas Castiel's true form is the size of a Tarrasque or bigger, and is also in its unaltered state.

So even if he went "toe to toe" with the other angels while cut off from heaven, it wasn't because he was extremely powerful, it was because the angels more-or-less condensed their power.

Even if we take an empowered Castiel, with all of the power he apparently possessed, he still needed the souls from Purgatory to turn Raphael into a blood splot. Take Castiel into his true form, and he'll turn more than that into blood splots just by all of the space he takes up. After all, his mere presence with his true form burns out the eyes of mortals, whereas a vessel is just a human possession, which causes these great beings to lose some of their most powerful traits.

It's true that Castiel has shown great physical combat, though whenever he is left "powerless," like many other people, they don't really fight too well.

I don't recall them ever stating that their powers are limited while in their vessels; Cas and Uriel talked about destroying an entire town during the 4th season, and that was in his puny Astral Deva state. All the vessel does is allow an Angel (or Demon, or Leviathan, or whatever) to interact with the physical world. My understanding is that without a vessel, they're mostly powerless while on Earth. Otherwise, what's the point of Lucifer and Michael bothering to snatch their respective meat suits if all it was going to was limit their abilities?


Sorry to necro, just wanted to give an actual answer. Mindblade magus would work for standard Cas. Str/con after int and low wisdom.

Paladin would work as well, with weapon focus short sword, weapon finesse, dodge, and pirhana strike.

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