Wrath of the Righteous for PFS?


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Sovereign Court 1/5

Is the WoTR an official PFS adventure path?

5/5

Not yet.

The general consensus from the public is that it will be, but I can't find any source for that information. It has been implied that all new APs will be sanctioned, but again, I don't think that's actually been stated. The further we get into the AP without mention of sanctioning, the less likely it becomes that it will be sanctioned, I suspect ... except.

The sanctioning of Dragon's Demand was announced before the module even came out; as of Thursday the chronicles are written and just waiting for editorial approval. Which is funny, because the Friday before that, they were written and just waiting for editorial approval.

So it's entirely possible that chronicles for WotR are written, and waiting for approval, and there's absolutely just no way of guessing how long that process will take.

In which case--and I'm just guessing here--they probably won't confirm that until after it's no longer a problem.

Sovereign Court 1/5

OK - well, I was hoping I missed something. I want to run an AP for a semi-regular PFS event and I thought that this AP would fit nicely with the PFS story arch this year - but if it is not approved - why should I buy it and play it?

(Make no mistake - that is a bald faced effort to get it approved for PFS play! ;)

The Exchange 4/5

this thread is relevant to my interests.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 5/5

John Compton's latest statement on 'Dragon's Demand':

John Compton wrote:
The Chronicles are in the queue for being edited, and it sounds like there are several sizable projects still sitting on top of them. I'm sorry to report that it looks like they'll still be a little while yet.

I suspect 'The Worldwound Incursion' is in a similar state, if a little further down the queue.

I know certain parties in the PFS forums are prone to the 'oh noes, the sky is falling' mindset, but let's try and exercise a bit more patience on this one...

Sovereign Court 1/5

WOW, I asked one question - how is that being impatient?

Silver Crusade 1/5

I PM'ed Mike Brock and he says there are no plans right now for WotR to be an official PFS adventure path. I think a good old fashioned lobbying campaign needs to be started; if enough people want it will happen.
My personal opinion is that the powers that be are afraid of the E6 crowd a small but vocal minority in the PFS community who hates anything that is now low magic low power and Mythic Adventures is the opposite of E6.

I have always felt that if PFS is being used as a marketing tool for pathfinder as much published content should be added into :Pathfinder as possible and that as far as adding content to the PFS campaign the DEVS should error on the side of adding it as if it is added and found out at a later time that the added content does not work it can be deleted if it is not added then a large portion of the community will never see it as most in the community are not compulsive book buyers like me.

3/5

My thoughts on this are because it actually DOES involve Mythic stuff. It would have to be pretty dumbed down to get into PFS considering the challenge of the creatures and the things happening. I mean, the first module has the characters reaching level six, and while the rest only go up a level or two at a time they also go up a mythic tier or two. And I wouldn't want to start a module for PFS then not be able to complete it (the last being 18th to 20th levels w/ 9 to 10 mythic tiers, WAAAY over the head of non mythic peoples).

2cp, take it for what it is.

Silver Crusade 5/5

Smart money is on it not being made legal. If it is made legal, it still won't be made legal for actual PFS characters to play. Making it legal for PFS characters requires either giving the PCs mythic tiers (not gonna happen, outside MAYBE next year's gen con Special, which will likely deal with closing the worldwound) or having the GM use the sidebar that will be in each upcoming WoR book that tells the GM how to run it w/o mythic rules. And doing that seems a little too "at GM's discretion" for PFS play.

1/5

Or you can only use your mythic tiers for AP play, and lose them in scenarios and modules.

The Exchange 2/5

They could sanction it just for campaign mode. That seems reasonable.

Scarab Sages 4/5

As you can run APs in "campaign mode" and then apply the credit to your PFS characters, I see no reason why WotR couldn't be sanctioned for PFS. Just make sure there are no mythic items or abilities on the chronicle sheets to avoid any mythic spill-over into PFS and it shouldn't be any different than sanctioning any of the other APs.

As this AP involves mythic rules, I can see problems with running PFS characters through it. As someone above suggested, perhaps just make it clear in the WotR sanctioning rules that if you are running PFS characters through it you must use the non-mythic rules for the AP. Or take the opposite approach and just don't allow PFS characters to play it and only sanction it for "campaign mode".

One way or another, I think it should be sanctioned for the good of marketing not only the AP but Mythic Adventures to the PFS community.

Not to derail this thread, but what's the status on sanctioning the rest of the APs? I believe Carrion Crown was next on the list to be sanctioned if they are working backwards but I haven't heard anything about it. (full disclosure: I have a friend who wants to start Carrion Crown in a few weeks and would like to give us PFS credit as we go.)

5/5 *

Mike Tuholski wrote:
Not to derail this thread, but what's the status on sanctioning the rest of the APs? I believe Carrion Crown was next on the list to be sanctioned if they are working backwards but I haven't heard anything about it. (full disclosure: I have a friend who wants to start Carrion Crown in a few weeks and would like to give us PFS credit as we go.)

They have been coming out semi-regularly, at a rate of around 1 AP every 2 months or so. The Jade Regent sheets came out quite recently, so I would give the design team time for the next one.

As usual, giving release dates (even hints) only makes it so that people will complain when those dates slip or are delayed, so they tend to only announce dates when they are as close to certain as possible.

5/5

I bought the first book, The Worldwound Incursion, it seems like it is excellently done, though I have not run my group through it yet. If the series is NOT sanctioned I doubt I will buy the remaining 5 books however.

Silver Crusade 2/5

This AP is suppose to offer a not so "mythic" but dumbed down version for those that do not want to use the mythic rules set as an alternate for each combat. The first AP really shouldn't be an issue since it is non-mythic already.

Grand Lodge 4/5

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Lou Diamond wrote:
I have always felt that if PFS is being used as a marketing tool for pathfinder as much published content should be added into :Pathfinder as possible and that as far as adding content to the PFS campaign the DEVS should error on the side of adding it as if it is added and found out at a later time that the added content does not work it can be deleted if it is not added then a large portion of the community will never see it as most in the community are not compulsive book buyers like me.

This is actually the opposite of what good campaign management should do. Adding things later is always possible, but taking options away that were present previously results in a lot of unhappy players. Look at the Undead Lord, Synthesist Summoner, and other options that were removed from the campaign after being allowed for an example of the kinds of reactions this causes. Mike took action to remove those when he first started in his post at Paizo, but the intention was to do it once and not have to do it again. My understanding is that John and Mike would rather hold off on adding options until there's been a chance to evaluate them rather than broadly allowing everything and then having to take someone's favorite toy away.

Grand Lodge 2/5

I know this is an old thread, but now WotR has finished and I still haven't heard anything about it being sanctioned for campaign mode. Did I miss anything somewhere, or is this an AP that just won't have any associated PFS chronicles?

The Exchange 4/5

Mike posted at some point that he wasn't planning on sanctioning it, which makes me sad, but such is life.

Dark Archive

I kinda doubt we'll see this one in any playable capacity with the way things are. Mythic tiers are integral to how the game is ran, and there is no "Non-mythic version" actually in the book that I've seen. There is a sidebar in the first book saying that it CAN be run with non-mythic PC's but "adjustments" would have to be made.

From just a cursory glance at some of the later books, those "adjustments" entail overhauling a huge portion of the encounters and NPC's in order to make it work.

Not only that, but a couple of the NPC's you receive your missions from are frankly above the In-Game Pathfinder Society's pay grade.


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Might be possible to add temporary mythic tiers to characters as part of PFS special rules for that AP.

Spoiler:
Wouldn't even be the first time it happened in PFS.

Or just require this AP be run in campaign mode.

-j

Scarab Sages 4/5

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Jason Wu wrote:
Or just require this AP be run in campaign mode.

I think this is the way to go. Unfortunately I don't think it will happen.

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