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Thanks for proving my point again that you are just as bad as the people you crusade against.I spell very well, and generally use correct grammar. I almost never call anyone out for using poor grammar, or misspelling words. There's one general case where I will call someone out for that kind of thing, though - if that person is being a jerk calling other people out for it.
You act as if I've proven your point, but you didn't state what point, and you didn't state how I'd proven it. I can only conclude your words were meant to impress people who already agree with you.
For my part, I'll continue working to impress all clear-thinking readers.
Really? If you dont know what Im talking about then your memory is shorter then I thought.
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So you don't trust the general membership of your allies enough to allow me to pick one of them to represent you? You won't answer that directly, but you don't have to. That answer is plain as day.
I did answer it directly, you lying hypocrite.
... unless you have a spy in TEO that you'd want to pick in order to stack the deck in your favor...
Allow me to answer it directly again, you lying hypocrite. No, I do not trust that every single member of TEO would be an honest agent representing my interests. I do not trust that every single member of The Seventh Veil would be an honest agent representing my interests.
This is because I am not a fool. I recognize that other people out there are motivated to join organizations like ours under false pretenses, in order to stir up trouble. We don't particularly mind when they do so, as long as they generally contribute to our success in greater proportion than the trouble they stir up.
Goblinworks Executive Founder
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So you don't trust the general membership of your allies enough to allow me to pick one of them to represent you? You won't answer that directly, but you don't have to. That answer is plain as day.
How about I pick one person who is a member of Pax Gaming, and that person serves as a binding mediator? Do you trust the membership of your own organization well enough to allow me to pick one to represent you?
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So you don't trust the general membership of your allies enough to allow me to pick one of them to represent you? You won't answer that directly, but you don't have to. That answer is plain as day.I did answer it directly, you lying hypocrite.
... unless you have a spy in TEO that you'd want to pick in order to stack the deck in your favor...Allow me to answer it directly again, you lying hypocrite. No, I do not trust that every single member of TEO would be an honest agent representing my interests. I do not trust that every single member of The Seventh Veil would be an honest agent representing my interests.
This is because I am not a fool. I recognize that other people out there are motivated to join organizations like ours under false pretenses, in order to stir up trouble. We don't particularly mind when they do so, as long as they generally contribute to our success in greater proportion than the trouble they stir up.
Again, you prove my point, you are exactly as the people you crusade against.
Here let me point this out to a moron. You are crusading for the soul of the community. You are as toxic to the community as the people you crusade against. You attack anyone who is not in agreement with you and wants to play the game as you see it.
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Goblinworks Executive Founder
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It's up to Nihimon to decide. If Blaeringr were a member of Pax or the UNC and this were verifiable, I'd be down.
IF? You don't vet Pax members enough to credibly deny that he is one of them. I am certain that he is TSV, (I've only confirmed one identity so far), there is no reasonable doubt that he has a TEO identity, and it is comical to suggest that he doesn't have a Pax one. You know all of that from when he was letting you think you were fooling him into thinking you were working for him.
Or give be two weeks, and I'll be a Pax member myself.
Meanwhile, if your agent in TEO selects anyone except Andius as their first choice for an "impartial mediator", you burn one of your agents, one that you presumably spent more time than making a LOTRO character on positioning.
And if you're not going to agree to be bound by formal mediation, there's no point in making a big production out of it. Formal mediation is binding, to the point that many businesses agree and prefer to use it instead of legal proceedings.
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Why are all of these labels and insulting terms being thrown around?
Because I am a deeply flawed human being. I am not adept at dealing with someone who likes to jerk people's chains for the lulz.
My apologies.
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I think what most people are missing from this argument is that Pax or UNC has spies in TEO. Joining as a general member requires registering on our forums and making a single post. There isn't really any screening process until you are reviewed for promotion. Takes about 5 minutes to get TEO membership / membership forum access minus the waiting time for approval.
Pax members have made several references to information found only on our private boards, and UNC has posted direct quotes from them. They know exactly which TEO members favor them most, and of course, which are in their employ. We could do the same for Pax, but at the present we're more interested in building our own organization than spying on and sabotaging theirs. Especially since Pax's stated positions should not lead to war between us. There has simply been a buildup of miss-trust.
If you want to use a TEO member to moderate. You can pick from this list, provided the individual you pick is willing. This is a list of TEO members in leadership positions, and as such, all have been examined more thoroughly than a 5 minute application process.
I will not allow you to start a witch hunt of my membership by forcing me to approve or deny anyone outside this list.
Myself
Jak Blitz
Valinar
Solemor Farmen
Lifedragon
Ixiolander
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I will not allow Areks to choose my agent.
My apologies, I was being presumptuous in my suggestion. I was far too pleased that I got even an agreement in principle for Blaeringr to represent Areks' interests.
I doubt that there exists any person who will be recognized as impartial who isn't too sick and tired of the entire discussion to serve.
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@Andius
Do tell! What quotes have I or any member of the UNC, directly from your private boards?
It sounds more like your internal security is leaking like a sieve, probably from the semi prominent members of TEO that have left or perhaps on contemplating leaving TEO.
If you are referring to those old comments I made during the Treaty of Rovagug debacle of yours, those came to me via PM from some if your own members and without my solicitation.
I have said it before, I have a pretty interesting trove of PMs from the past 9 months. As toxic as you try to make my company seem, we sure do generate plenty of contract offers. There is a simple reason for that, we have built up credibility and influence.
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Lol. This is great stuff! The paranoia is awesome.
Paranoia implies irrational fear, not grim realism. Large open door organizations are easy to infiltrate at the lower levels. It's common knowledge in TEO that membership boards are not considered secure. We aren't going on a witch hunt to find who the spies are, we're just operating with the knowledge they exist.
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I think what most people are missing from this argument is that Pax or UNC has spies in TEO.
I think some of the "spies" could just be leftovers in your system. While you were...I don't know what was going on. You were taking a break for some reason? And the council was almost completely unavailable, I quit TEO. I contacted several people on Teamspeak, and private messaged the only person who was still around that seemed to be in charge that I was done. But I still had access for ages after that. And while I'm sure I'll get accused of it, no I'm not the mole in your system. That's not how I operate. But you may want to do some forum cleanup.
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I think what most people are missing from this argument is that Pax or UNC has spies in TEO. Joining as a general member requires registering on our forums and making a single post. There isn't really any screening process until you are reviewed for promotion. Takes about 5 minutes to get TEO membership / membership forum access minus the waiting time for approval.
Pax members have made several references to information found only on our private boards, and UNC has posted direct quotes from them. They know exactly which TEO members favor them most, and of course, which are in their employ. We could do the same for Pax, but at the present we're more interested in building our own organization than spying on and sabotaging theirs. Especially since Pax's stated positions should not lead to war between us. There has simply been a buildup of miss-trust.
If you want to use a TEO member to moderate. You can pick from this list, provided the individual you pick is willing. This is a list of TEO members in leadership positions, and as such, all have been examined more thoroughly than a 5 minute application process.
I will not allow you to start a witch hunt of my membership by forcing me to approve or deny anyone outside this list.
Myself
Jak Blitz
Valinar
Solemor Farmen
Lifedragon
Ixiolander
Just jumping in to clarify Pax's position. I have no desire to weigh in on yet another thread that I think has become silly, on all sides (yes, I said it.)
To my knowledge Pax has no spies in any other organization. As far as our High Council, or Low Council are aware we have no spies in any organization. If we have them they are the agents of individual players, or there is an access oversight on the forums under suspicion. I suspect the latter.
I fully recognize when it comes to espionage trust is rightly not lent to the organization under suspicion. I am just offering what observations I can.
Especially since Pax's stated positions should not lead to war between us. There has simply been a buildup of miss-trust.
I also wanted to point out that I like this sentiment Andius. It sums up both our organization's positions accurately without added venom. Thank you for it.
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Trying to get this thread back to what the op asked for stories and tales from our pvp past. Well I have a few but I will like to focus on the positive over the negative. There ben too much negitvity around here so I am not going to add to it.
This is my positive pvp story: It was age of Conan I was playing a Bear Shaman. I remember going out to harvest something or other and I got attacked. Luck was with me and I was facing my attacker. Many times I am at 50% health before I even discover who attacking me hard to come back from so far behind but not this time. For once I did not spend precious seconds debating if I should attack or run. I decide to fight and see where it took me, fully expecting it to be my respawn point. So I popped off a heal ability and ran at the guy. I fully expected to die I always die. Time seemed to slow my heart was racing but every time I was getting close to the red bar of death my heal ability would refresh and I was given another couple of seconds of life.
It ended with him dead and me at about 25% health. Another thing that made the moment great for me was my opponent let me have my victory and did not cry I won because he lagged or his abilities got stuck, or the bear shaman class was overpowered which at the time it actually was. He asked me what I thought of the bear shaman and we had a nice talk. I thanked him for the good fight and for the next 20 minutes I ran around my house yelling I WON!! IWON!! I am really proud of that moment.
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Trying to get this thread back to what the op asked for stories and tales from our pvp past. Well I have a few but I will like to focus on the positive over the negative. There ben too much negitvity around here so I am not going to add to it.
This is my positive pvp story: It was age of Conan I was playing a Bear Shaman. I remember going out to harvest something or other and I got attacked. Luck was with me and I was facing my attacker. Many times I am at 50% health before I even discover who attacking me hard to come back from so far behind but not this time. For once I did not spend precious seconds debating if I should attack or run. I decide to fight and see where it took me, fully expecting it to be my respawn point. So I popped off a heal ability and ran at the guy. I fully expected to die I always die. Time seemed to slow my heart was racing but every time I was getting close to the red bar of death my heal ability would refresh and I was given another couple of seconds of life.
It ended with him dead and me at about 25% health. Another thing that made the moment great for me was my opponent let me have my victory and did not cry I won because he lagged or his abilities got stuck, or the bear shaman class was overpowered which at the time it actually was. He asked me what I thought of the bear shaman and we had a nice talk. I thanked him for the good fight and for the next 20 minutes I ran around my house yelling I WON!! IWON!! I am really proud of that moment.
That is the best story in this thread so far.
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Thanks for putting in an official position, Charlie. It's a little hard to believe with Areks' history and position, but other evidence convinces me that there is a rational explanation other than espionage for that.
I withdraw any implication I have made to the effect that there is any specific evidence that Pax is performing any type of espionage; in moderation, I will confirm that any group or individual that has tried to 'infiltrate' the lowest levels of TSV has succeeded in doing so. I cannot conform that for TEO, but I believe it to be the case. I suspect that is the case for Pax, and for exactly the same reason: the cost of preventing even only 80% of 'infiltration' at the lowest level is prohibitively expensive compared with the maximum benefits.
The only people already playing the spy game are the ones who find it intrinsically rewarding.
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Thanks for putting in an official position, Charlie. It's a little hard to believe with Areks' history and position, but other evidence convinces me that there is a rational explanation other than espionage for that.
I withdraw any implication I have made to the effect that there is any specific evidence that Pax is performing any type of espionage; in moderation, I will confirm that any group or individual that has tried to 'infiltrate' the lowest levels of TSV has succeeded in doing so. I cannot conform that for TEO, but I believe it to be the case. I suspect that is the case for Pax, and for exactly the same reason: the cost of preventing even only 80% of 'infiltration' at the lowest level is prohibitively expensive compared with the maximum benefits.
The only people already playing the spy game are the ones who find it intrinsically rewarding.
Thank you for the withdrawal. It shows outstanding character.
Towards the security level topic, there are ways to set varied access for what seems to be relatively little effort. We keep our Low and High Councils shut off to the public, and we have separate security levels for ambassador forums, administrations, etc.
It won't stop everything of course, but it might help. I would be willing to ask our moderators if they could offer advise privately if anyone wishes.
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My fave PVP story was waaaaaay back in Neverwinter Nights in the midst of a guild war. There was an assassin who I hired who was always testing if my infamous spotting ability could see him. I pretended not to meeting after back alley meeting, until the guild war was at full peak and the assassin was clearly on the dole for my rivals. Boy oh boy was he surprised when I tore him a new one in his squishy stealth gear!
I also remember Age of Conan's Hyperborea RP-PvP server. Our guild had a weekly RP event that got ambushed by an alliance of RP enemies and non RP griefers. The battle sprawled from one end of the instance to another as allies on both sides joined in. I was a noob but I remember it well as what could and should be.
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You attack anyone who is not in agreement with you and wants to play the game as you see it.Logical Fallacy Lesson 4: Bald Assertion
Is that a picture of you?
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...I'm sorry you said "battlefield command", I thought you were actually talking about commanding on a battlefield. Leading a group in a PvP hardly qualifies as battlefield command. Good MMO strategy, yes. Battlefield command... not a chance...
Areks you weren't reading Stars and Stripes you were reading the PFO forum. If you really thought he was talking about field command in the service you are a fool, and I don't think you are.
No, you are toying with people. To what end?
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It's up to Nihimon to decide. If Blaeringr were a member of Pax or the UNC and this were verifiable, I'd be down.
I wouldn't.
This argument doesn't need mediation, it needs a heavy dose of shut the f!~@ up on both sides. Period.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is just going to go on making themselves look worse than they already have. This mud flinging contest has officially resulted in a bunch of people covered in mud with absolutely nothing else accomplished.
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