Jeff Clem |
It doesn't work like that. The feat does not make you more human. It allows you to take other races feats etc.
Racial Heritage feat allows you to pick feats traits etc. from other race specific feats, traits classes etc only. The prerequisite for Racial Heritage is Human. If you get reincarnated into another race you are physically not human anymore(The prerequisite for Racial Heritage is Human) you lose this feat.
Isil-zha |
Jeff Clem, I'm fairly certain what you describe is the intention of this feat. But what BBT is aiming it is the wording "you count as both human and ...". So the feat actually spells out that you count as human. But I disagree with the interpretation that having the feat lets you qualify for the feat.
mplindustries |
Reincarnate states you keep your feats.
Now, an Aasimar, with the Scion of Humanity alternate racial trait seems to be the best choice for this to be legit.
You count as Human for feats and what not, but you still count as Aasimar.
So, "another race" could be Human.
Ok, I think you must have missed my earlier comment, now. You don't have to choose Human to get what you want. The Feat explicitly treats as you human AND another race. You can pick anything you want and you count as both of them.
"Choose another humanoid race. You count as both human and that race for any effects related to race." (emphasis mine)
So, you can choose Dwarf, and as long as you have the feat, you'll count as a Human and a Dwarf. If you're reincarnated as a bugbear, and you can keep this feat, then you are treated as a bugbear, and a human, and a dwarf.
MrSin |
So, you can choose Dwarf, and as long as you have the feat, you'll count as a Human and a Dwarf. If you're reincarnated as a bugbear, and you can keep this feat, then you are treated as a bugbear, and a human, and a dwarf.
So you can be raised by gnomes, born a human(With dwarf blood), and turned into a bugbear, then treated as a human/dwarf/bugbear with gnomish traits? What a strange long trip that was...
El Cubano |
Just as a reference for allowing a feat to qualify for itself, Final Embrace requires the constrict special attack. Anaconda's Coils gives you that. The interesting thing is that Final Embrace actually gives you constrict as well, so it satisfies that portion of the prereqs. This means that if you take the belt off after taking the feat, you still qualify for it and can use it.
I don't recall the exact link, and my search-fu is weak, but I believe this was discussed before by someone relatively important...
StreamOfTheSky |
What would the point be ? Scion of Humanity says "An aasimar with this racial trait counts as an outsider (native) and a humanoid (human) for any effect related to race, including feat prerequisites and spells that affect humanoids." Racial Heritage says "You count as both human and that race for any effects related to race."
You've just duplicated counting as human and outsider(native).
The point would be that paizo massively effed up the rules.
Racial Heritage: Can a human with this feat take levels in an archetype that requires you to be of a specific race?Yes, the Racial Heritage feat allows you to qualify for archetypes that have the chosen race as a requirement, assuming you still meet all of the other requirements to take levels in the archetype.
—Jason Bulmahn, 07/27/12
Half-Elf or Half-Orc: Can a character of either of these races select human racial archetypes (such as from Advanced Race Guide?No. While half-elves and half-orcs do count as humans "for any effect related to race", racial class archetypes do not count as an "effect."
—Pathfinder Design Team, 03/15/13
There are two classes of humans, according to paizo. There are "humans" and there are humans. The former can take Racial Heritage because they're "humans," but only the latter can take human archetypes, because only they are humans.
The same applying for any other hybrid race and his parentage.
So a Scion of Humanity Aasimar who already is a "human" and can thus take racial heritage still benefits from RH (Human). Even though with half-races you're literally 50% "human" and with scion of humanity you're also literally mostly "human," only with a feat that declares you're 1/16 human or whatever, are you truly human.
Welcome to Pathfinder.
StreamOfTheSky |
Except a Human can just take Racial Heritage to get access to that stuff anyway.
While as the half-races' hybrid blood that they actually get does nothing. Even though the feat and the racial features both refer to "effects" and the racial feature is straight up 50/50 heritage, while as the feat is just some distant relationship.