Can I get hybridization funnel clarification?


Rules Questions

Scarab Sages

I had a situation in my Reign of Winter game last night where a player had a very literal interpretation of the phrase "when thrown as a splash weapon, the mixture has the effects of both component substances and creatures are affected as if hit by both" He takes it to mean that his alchemist hits with the mixture his INT modifier is applied twice since that is what would happen if he had with both items not mixed. I ruled against saying the extra d6 and two damage types is the only benefit. Did I make an accurate RAW judgement or am I only in the land of DM fiat?


RAW says you're wrong. I say you're right.


RAW uses unclear implied objects but says you're right.

The alchemist class wrote:
An alchemist adds his Intelligence modifier to damage done with splash weapons
The phrase you quoted wrote:
when thrown as a splash weapon

(emphasis mine)

Singular splash weapon, singular addition of int damage.

In other words, creatures are affected as if hit by both substances. Not as if hit by both as separate splash weapons.

Scarab Sages

Thanks for the logical assist. I had the solution just needed a viable chain of reason to back it. I would have created a house rule, but I feel the ambiguous language credibly supports the ruling I made. You rock.


I agree with DeltaOneG, the hybrid mixture is still only one weapon, so he only gets one INT bonus. Also if a non-alchemist threw the mixture there would not be any INT bonus so the "affected as if hit by both" doesn't fly. His interpretation would make sense in Munchkin, not Pathfinder.

Shadow Lodge

1 person marked this as FAQ candidate.

That's an awful lot of importance you're putting on that one character.

Let me ask this: which one does he apply the Int bonus to?


SCPRedMage, good point. The Int damage is applied to either fire or cold (if it is a fire/cold combo). But which?

Perhaps it is FAQ worthy, I would suggest you ask that question.

I would split any bonus damage between the two energy types with an odd point going to one of them at the preference of the Alchemist.

- Gauss


I would say the Alchemist gets to choose which gets the INT bonus.

Liberty's Edge

SCPRedMage wrote:
That's an awful lot of importance you're putting on that one character.

That doesn't matter, text is text.

Quote:
Let me ask this: which one does he apply the Int bonus to?

Alchemist's choice.

Think of it like this:

If a rogue / wizard did sneak attack with a ray that did both fire and ice damage, would you let the wizard have sneak attack for both the fire and ice parts of the ray?

The Exchange

This is a good question. My alchemist uses hybridized alchemical weapons with explosive missile discovery routinely. I am unsure what the Int damage is. What if I have 3 damage types; cold, acid, and fire from bomb damage? I would like to think its proportional, but that's now RAW and it's really messy.

@ OP, have the player look into Targeted Bomb Admixture. That's a good one for double int.

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