Large Two Weapon Fighting

[Warboss666]

I run a Barbarian (Titan Mauler) that uses two Large Sawtooth Sabres and with Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Sawtooth Sabre), it counts as a light weapon for two-weapon fighting.

Does this still count if the weapons are for large size creatures.

[ArmouredMonk13]

If the weapon is a light weapon for medium creatures when properly sized, it is a 1h weapon when large size. The rules for this are in the equipment section of the CRB on page 144 in the section that continues from weapon size.

[Warboss666]

HELL YEAH!!! Thanks for this, means that I can wield two of them and do lots of damage.

[SaddestPanda]

If you read the entry on this weapon you would know that it only counts as a light weapon for the purpose of the penalty that is aplied when two-weapon fighting otherwise it counts as a one handed weapon. So no you cannot dual wield large sawtooth sabres.
A sawtoothed sabre may be used as a Martial Weapon (in which case it functions as a longsword), but if you have the feat Exotic Weapon Proficiency (sawtoothed sabre), you treat the weapon as if it were a light weapon for the purpose of two-weapon fighting—the sabre remains classified as a one-handed melee weapon for all other purposes.

[blackbloodtroll]

Titan Mauler cannot wield two Large Sawtooth Sabres.

The Jotungrip ability only applies to weapons of appropriate size.

So, when wielding a Large Sawtooth Sabre, you must do so in two hands.

[Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus]

Only a Tiefling can do that, with the right variant ability.

[MCPooge]

Well, as worded, the Titan Mauler Archetype doesn't really work as intended. I would have to dig to find them, but one of the PF designers offered a couple house rule variants to make it work as intended, but they would be just that: house-rules.

[blackbloodtroll]

Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:

Only a Tiefling can do that, with the right variant ability.

You are thinking of the ability that removes penalties.

It does not lessen the effort needed(Light, One-handed, Two-handed).

[Kazaan]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:

Only a Tiefling can do that, with the right variant ability.

You are thinking of the ability that removes penalties.

It does not lessen the effort needed(Light, One-handed, Two-handed).

SRD wrote:

You have over-sized limbs, allowing you to use Large weapons without penalty.

It doesn't specify penalty to attack rolls, it blanket exempts you from "penalty" which would include the handedness change penalty. To illustrate:

PRD wrote:

Heavy Weapons (Ex) A redcap can wield weapons sized for Medium creatures without penalty.

The two abilities are worded essentially the same; Redcap is a small creature that can wield medium sized weapons "without penalty" and Tiefling is a medium creature that can wield large sized weapons "without penalty". The Redcap is given a Medium Scythe as a weapon in its bestiary entry which a small creature wouldn't normally be able to wield at all since Scythe is a 2-h weapon. For it to be able to handle it, Heavy Weapons must remove the "step-up" penalty for weapon category. Thus, since the Tiefling variant ability is worded the same way, it must also work the same way.

[blackbloodtroll]

That stance would actually allow the Titan Mauler to wield larger weapons, via Massive Weapons ability.

We already know that to not be true.

Redcap ability is just poorly worded.

[Michael Sayre]

Handedness is not a penalty, it is a measurement of the grip/strength/leverage/size/etc. needed to wield something. Penalties are things like the -2 for using inappropriately sized weapons.

See the related FAQs for Titan Mauler:

Barbarian--Titan Mauler: Does the Jotungrip class feature (page 30) allow the Titan Mauler to use oversized weapons?
No. Jotungrip allows the titan mauler to use two-handed melee weapons in one hand, but only if the weapon is appropriately sized for the character. The massive weapon class feature allows her to use oversized weapons with decreased penalty, but does not allow her to use two-handed weapons of that size in one hand.

Update Page 30, in the titan mauler archetype, in the Jotungrip class feature, in the first sentence, insert the word "melee" between "two-handed" and "weapon."

—Stephen Radney-MacFarland, 10/13/11 Back to Top

Barbarian--Titan Mauler: Can a Medium titan mauler wield a Large two-handed weapon, such as a Large greatsword?
No. The "Inappropriately Sized Weapons" rule (Core Rulebook 144) says (in summary) that a creature can't wield an inappropriately-sized weapon if the size difference would increase it one or more "steps" beyond "two-handed." None of the titan mauler's abilities say the character can break the "steps" part of the "Inappropriately Sized Weapons" rule, so the character still has to follow that rule.

—Pathfinder Design Team, 03/15/13

[blackbloodtroll]

Ssalarn has it, laid out.

[Starbuck_II]

MCPooge wrote:

Well, as worded, the Titan Mauler Archetype doesn't really work as intended. I would have to dig to find them, but one of the PF designers offered a couple house rule variants to make it work as intended, but they would be just that: house-rules.

Use the designer (Jason Nelson)'s House Rules as it is Rules as intended.

The FAQS are RAW (as they written). Not how it is intended.

Massive Weapons (Ex): At 3rd level, a titan mauler becomes skilled in the use of massive weapons looted from her titanic foes. At 3rd level, she can wield melee or thrown weapons sized for creatures one size category larger than her own size, with a -2 penalty on attack rolls. Such weapons are always considered two-handed weapons.

For every 3 levels beyond 3rd, a titan mauler may choose to increase the size of weapons she can effectively wield by one additional size category, with an additional -2 cumulative penalty to attack rolls. Alternatively, she may choose to reduce her attack roll penalty when using oversized weapons by 1. This choice must be made every 3 levels when the ability is gained and cannot be changed. This ability replaces trap sense.

[blackbloodtroll]

That's what my DM did.

It makes the archetype actually do something.

[Kazaan]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

That stance would actually allow the Titan Mauler to wield larger weapons, via Massive Weapons ability.

We already know that to not be true.

Redcap ability is just poorly worded.

No it wouldn't.

PRD wrote:

Massive Weapons (Ex): At 3rd level, a titan mauler becomes skilled in the use of massive weapons looted from her titanic foes. The attack roll penalty for using weapons too large for her size is reduced by 1, and this reduction increases by 1 for every three levels beyond 3rd (to a minimum of 0). This ability replaces trap sense.

Massive weapons explicitly calls out the attack roll penalty, not penalty in general. How, exactly, is Redcap poorly worded? It says it lets it wield larger weapons and it has a larger weapon. It obviously includes the handiness step-up as a penalty along with the numeric penalty to attack rolls. Massive Weapons only calls out attack roll penalties that it affects so this is a matter of apples and oranges.

[Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

That stance would actually allow the Titan Mauler to wield larger weapons, via Massive Weapons ability.

We already know that to not be true.

Redcap ability is just poorly worded.

I asked James Jacob about the ability and he said it should work like the red-cap's ability.

[blackbloodtroll]

Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:

blackbloodtroll wrote:

That stance would actually allow the Titan Mauler to wield larger weapons, via Massive Weapons ability.

We already know that to not be true.

Redcap ability is just poorly worded.

I asked James Jacob about the ability and he said it should work like the red-cap's ability.

Not a rules guy.