The Quite-big-but-not-BIG Bad |
So if you completely destroy a being with brilliant energy, do you leave behind a pile of hair and detritus?
That and chunks of meat. Brilliant energy is not a disintegration effect or anything, it's just a blade made of energy. The energy itself has no effects beyond passing through nonliving material. You couldn't completely destroy a being with regular steel either, just dice it up really fine.
...actually you couldn't do that either, the moment you slice a piece of a living person, that piece becomes dead (aka 'nonliving') and brilliant energy couldn't touch it anymore.So.. what happens if you strike a person in greenwood or living steel armor with brilliant energy?
Titania, the Summer Queen |
Umbral Reaver wrote:So if you completely destroy a being with brilliant energy, do you leave behind a pile of hair and detritus?That and chunks of meat. Brilliant energy is not a disintegration effect or anything, it's just a blade made of energy. The energy itself has no effects beyond passing through nonliving material. You couldn't completely destroy a being with regular steel either, just dice it up really fine.
...actually you couldn't do that either, the moment you slice a piece of a living person, that piece becomes dead (aka 'nonliving') and brilliant energy couldn't touch it anymore.So.. what happens if you strike a person in greenwood or living steel armor with brilliant energy?
You have to beat AC as normal.
shadowmage75 |
...actually you couldn't do that either, the moment you slice a piece of a living person, that piece becomes dead (aka 'nonliving') and brilliant energy couldn't touch it anymore.
I'd disagree with that. per real life reference, a severed body part doesn't die immediately, and would be viable if there was knowledge/technology to reattach it in time. Brain death can occur up to twenty minutes after the body's functions cease. Yes the organism as a whole is nonfunctional, but down to a cellular level, we can keep trucking a surprising amount of time. Not to mention the bacteria we're host to, that becomes our decomposers. I'm of a mind to say that you could do a lot of things to the body shortly after slaying it.
The Quite-big-but-not-BIG Bad |
I just hate the brilliant energy ability in general. It's a blatant star wars ripoff, the explanation makes no sense and it kinda breaks the game in some ways (the AoMF is good example).
I had one GM that put our party in labyrinth against a throwing-focused fighter with some sort of x-ray vision and a returning brilliant energy chakram. Incredibly boring and one-sided fight.
Man of Steel 84 |
The Quite-big-but-not-BIG Bad wrote:I'd disagree with that. per real life reference, a severed body part doesn't die immediately, and would be viable if there was knowledge/technology to reattach it in time. Brain death can occur up to twenty minutes after the body's functions cease. Yes the organism as a whole is nonfunctional, but down to a cellular level, we can keep trucking a surprising amount of time. Not to mention the bacteria we're host to, that becomes our decomposers. I'm of a mind to say that you could do a lot of things to the body shortly after slaying it.
...actually you couldn't do that either, the moment you slice a piece of a living person, that piece becomes dead (aka 'nonliving') and brilliant energy couldn't touch it anymore.
Real life =/= pathfinder rules. Per the CRB a creature dies at -HP = Con score. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Personally I dislike it when people try to use earth for why things should happen in fantasy setting, especially to make things unnecessarily complicated.
Chaotic Fighter |
shadowmage75 wrote:The Quite-big-but-not-BIG Bad wrote:I'd disagree with that. per real life reference, a severed body part doesn't die immediately, and would be viable if there was knowledge/technology to reattach it in time. Brain death can occur up to twenty minutes after the body's functions cease. Yes the organism as a whole is nonfunctional, but down to a cellular level, we can keep trucking a surprising amount of time. Not to mention the bacteria we're host to, that becomes our decomposers. I'm of a mind to say that you could do a lot of things to the body shortly after slaying it.
...actually you couldn't do that either, the moment you slice a piece of a living person, that piece becomes dead (aka 'nonliving') and brilliant energy couldn't touch it anymore.Real life =/= pathfinder rules. Per the CRB a creature dies at -HP = Con score. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Personally I dislike it when people try to use earth for why things should happen in fantasy setting, especially to make things unnecessarily complicated.
Alright if that's how you feel. Then hair is part of the living creature as a whole and yes you can cut it with brilliant energy scissors.
lemeres |
I just hate the brilliant energy ability in general. It's a blatant star wars ripoff, the explanation makes no sense and it kinda breaks the game in some ways (the AoMF is good example).
I had one GM that put our party in labyrinth against a throwing-focused fighter with some sort of x-ray vision and a returning brilliant energy chakram. Incredibly boring and one-sided fight.
Well, it works poorly as a lightsaber in other respects. I mean, the fact it ignores armor is nice and all, but it cannot cut through any nonliving thing.
A nice adamantine sword on the other hand could cut through a wall like butter. Well, assuming that the wall was thin enough for the sword to burst out the other side. That remains a legitimate limiting factor for GMs. Still, doors are never a problem (but those have burst DCs anyway, plus disable device for locks; they are getting through that door one way or another. adamantine just makes a dramatic entrance without the embarrass of failing the burst DC. )
shadowmage75 |
I'm pretty sure there's a certain spell that does, yea, actually does state that you need some part of the corpse, even a hair or fingernail to resurrect the person...back to justifying the scissors.
And the 'I don't like people who use real life to justify details in a fantasy setting' argument is useless and irrelevant. Much of what is ruled in the CRB is the authors' best efforts to represent actual and factual occurrences. Otherwise you'd spend your game night arguing with the guy who says "what do you mean you cut off my head, I still have hit points."
Yes. it's magic. don't worry your pretty little head about that. We're discussing if the OP stated theoretical is valid. We're presenting arguments to support or deny that theoretical.
Matt Thomason |
seebs wrote:I don't think brilliant energy is a star wars rip off. This ain't a lightsaber. Lightsabers cut metal.Fun fact: With the plasma weapon rules from Inner Sea Bestiary and a whole lot of begging, pleading, and houseruling by your GM, you can in fact make a lightsaber.
The thing I love most about the sheer prevalence of the 3.5 system:
If I really want a lightsaber, I can use the ones from WotC's Star Wars RPG pretty easily, too ;)