I'm putting together a Dervish of Dawn and I have a few questions about how Bard spells affect this particular archetype and its unique performances...
Does the performance used by the Shadowbard spell keep you from being able to use a performance ability yourself, or does it allow two concurrent performances to be used? I know that similar bonuses wouldn't stack, but could it be used to activate both Inspire Heroics and Inspire Courage at once?
Does the Shadowbard performance behave as if it had originated from you - i.e. the doubling effect of the Dervish's battle dance? Same question for Exquisite Accompaniment.
Are there any other practical ways to maintain two performances at once?
Bump please.
I'm not that familiar with that particular archetype or it's rules but with the Lingering Performance feat you should be able to end one performance and start another while still benefiting from the first one (temporarily).
Concerning shadowbard:
I would say it doesnt count as you performing because it doesnt take any of your performance rounds away while it performs. It says the phantom is performing. I see no reason you cant maintain two performances at once with it, as it looks like that is the entire point of the spell.
I'm not that familiar with that particular archetype or it's rules but with the Lingering Performance feat you should be able to end one performance and start another while still benefiting from the first one (temporarily).
really? perhaps you should read the feat :)
Lingering Performance
The effects of your bardic performance carry on, even after you have stopped performing.Prerequisite: Bardic performance class feature.
Benefit: The bonuses and penalties from your bardic performance continue for 2 rounds after you cease performing. Any other requirement, such as range or specific conditions, must still be met for the effect to continue. If you begin a new bardic performance during this time, the effects of the previous performance immediately cease.
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Does the performance used by the Shadowbard spell keep you from being able to use a performance ability yourself
I don't see why it would.
could it be used to activate both Inspire Heroics and Inspire Courage at once?
If you have access to Inspire Heroics, then you could have the shadowbard begin that bardic performance when it comes into being (or switch to that bardic performance by using a move action to direct it). You could also use your own Inspire Courage if you wanted.
Does the Shadowbard performance behave as if it had originated from you - i.e. the doubling effect of the Dervish's battle dance?
Since Battle Dance only provides benefit to the dervish dancer, I think a shadowbard doing that would provide benefit only to the shadowbard. (The flavor of that is goofy anyway, since the shadowbard is a singer, not a dancer)
Same question for Exquisite Accompaniment.
Exquisite Accompaniment: "The instrument plays as you direct, and as long as it plays, you do not have to expend rounds of bardic performance from your daily allotment to maintain an effect."
The shadowbard doesn't use up any of your rounds of bardic performance, so I'm not sure how Exquisite Accompaniment could have any effect on it at all.
I'm not that familiar with that particular archetype or it's rules but with the Lingering Performance feat you should be able to end one performance and start another while still benefiting from the first one (temporarily).really? perhaps you should read the feat :)
Bolding is mineLingering Performance
The effects of your bardic performance carry on, even after you have stopped performing.Prerequisite: Bardic performance class feature.
Benefit: The bonuses and penalties from your bardic performance continue for 2 rounds after you cease performing. Any other requirement, such as range or specific conditions, must still be met for the effect to continue. If you begin a new bardic performance during this time, the effects of the previous performance immediately cease.
Well.... what can I say, I was wrong. My apologies.
Does the performance used by the Shadowbard spell keep you from being able to use a performance ability yourselfI don't see why it would.
could it be used to activate both Inspire Heroics and Inspire Courage at once?If you have access to Inspire Heroics, then you could have the shadowbard begin that bardic performance when it comes into being (or switch to that bardic performance by using a move action to direct it). You could also use your own Inspire Courage if you wanted.
Does the Shadowbard performance behave as if it had originated from you - i.e. the doubling effect of the Dervish's battle dance?Since Battle Dance only provides benefit to the dervish dancer, I think a shadowbard doing that would provide benefit only to the shadowbard. (The flavor of that is goofy anyway, since the shadowbard is a singer, not a dancer)
Same question for Exquisite Accompaniment.Exquisite Accompaniment: "The instrument plays as you direct, and as long as it plays, you do not have to expend rounds of bardic performance from your daily allotment to maintain an effect."
The shadowbard doesn't use up any of your rounds of bardic performance, so I'm not sure how Exquisite Accompaniment could have any effect on it at all.
I appreciate the answers, but I'm still somewhat confused.
So in accordance with what you're saying, a Dervish of Dawn using the spell Shadowbard would get absolutely no benefit from Inspire Courage, Inspire Heroics or Inspire Greatness (or Dirge of Doom since they don't get that performance), nor would any member of their party, making the spell essentially useless to them?
Exquisite Accompaniment does not provide any performance whatsoever, it merely saves you from using your own rounds of performance.
I'm trying to figure out how, if it is possible, for a Dervish of Dawn to have two instances of Bardic Performance up - specifically Inspire Courage and Inspire Heroics - who's effects mimic that which a single Bardic Performance by the Dervish of Dawn would have.
Is there any realistic way for a Bard to have two instances of their Performance up and running at the same time?
a Dervish of Dawn using the spell Shadowbard would get absolutely no benefit from Inspire Courage, Inspire Heroics or Inspire Greatness (or Dirge of Doom since they don't get that performance), nor would any member of their party, making the spell essentially useless to them?
Assuming you don't have access to a normal (non-battle dance) version of those abilities, I think so. (Battle Dance doesn't actually say it replaces bardic performance, it just says you gain the inspire courage, inspire greatness, and inspire heroics bardic performance types as battle dances, so someone could argue that you still gain the normal versions of those performances as well)
Exquisite Accompaniment does or does not count as a performance coming from you (regardless of whether or not it uses up your performance rounds)?
Exquisite Accompaniment is a spell.
For the duration of that spell, you do not have to expend rounds of bardic performance from your daily allotment to maintain an effect.
So if you're using inspire courage, and then you cast Exquisite Accompaniment, you can continue to maintain the inspire courage effect without using up more rounds of bardic performance until the spell ends.