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I know many were converted in B2 and all of then converted by the same third party that made the book. But there are still a few that I would like to see done by Paizo.


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Kthulhu wrote:
Anthony Adam wrote:
So, I'll cut you a deal, you type out the srd as a request list in alphabetical order and post it here and I'll add it to my list cutting and pasting from your post :P
You missed the post where I already did that. However, you're gonna have to cull through it to cut out the monsters that have already been converted.

Ah, I haven't quite gotten there yet. Getting closer though. Hopefully another update in a couple days, I have been snowed under this week with producing a PFS Scenario proposal, making sure I was in the Here Be Monsters competition and a few other bits and pieces I can't talk about :)

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Vorpal elephant (vorphant?): An elephant-like creature whose trunk is flat and sharp enough to lop off a human's head.


Found an awesome new horror on the internet!

Related to dragons + the Erlking!

It is from Norwegian mythology and it's name is Bergkonge which translate into Mountain King! (awesome!)

here is more info on the creature!


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A vorpal creature template would be more practical so you could have vorpal sharks, vorpal boars, vorpal rabbits, etc.


The more monsters from mythology I post here, the more Dragon78 dislikes them because he can never like anything I post lol.

Scitalis

This creatures scales were so beautiful that it victims were stunned by the beauty and were slowed down enough for the Scitalis (who wasn't very fast) to make an easy prey out of them.

Cervitaur

These are much like centaurs, but instead of a horse they are part stags/deers. These are mostly gentle creatures until the woods are damaged, they they turn brutal.
They are also much like Warcrafts Keepers of the Grove.

Aziwugum

These are inuit dogs with black fish-like scales over their bodies, they have very long and powerful tails that can break any known material.

Vritra

Vritra (Hindu) - The drought dragon that destroys water when it touches it. These cause draught and are one of the strongest followers of the Horseman of Famine. A touch from this dragon is extremely deadly as all the moisture from your body will be evaporated. They are found in the deserts, many of which they self created.


Vritra is an Asura Rana, I believe. I'd still love to see him, and anything Asura related in general. The Asuras we have are fascinating but we know so tantalizingly little about them. Anything, anything at all, Asura related we are given is welcome. I wanted to see all their Ranas statted up, though that will probably never happen.

The Aziwugum is cool, but that's not how I'd picture it. It's described as being a "walrus dog" so at the very least it should have tusks.


That was the only picture I could find of the Aziwugum, and it only mentioned the black fish-scales and powerful tail? Where did you read about the walrus stuff?


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Aziwugum! The evil GM in me is now formulating a pack of them that surrounds a party and starts by breaking the parties weapons! evil grin.


I really hope the next Adventure Path line (about the Giants) will have LOTS and LOTS of mythological monsters! Especially since the Robot-AP doesn't have any (probably)

And my Pinterest sites about mythology coming around pretty well, I hope all the monsters eventually appear in the pages of the bestiaries!

Pinterest page 1

Pinterest page 2


I just hope that we get a Bestiary 5 next year. My main hopes for the B5 will be...

-Less mythic ranked creatures but I am fine with non-mythic CR26+
-5 new true dragon.
-At least 17 new fey with at least one that is CR20 and another that is CR21+.
-A least 10 new elementals.
-7-10 new 0HD races.
-5+ new improved familiars.
-5+ new animal companions.
-More types of giant vermin that haven't gotten any love for awhile like the giant cockroach.
-At least 3 of these outsider groups getting some love: Angels, Proteans, Oni, Azatas, Inevitables, Azuras, Agathions and Qlippoths.
-At least 3 new types of giants.
-3-6 new golems.
-At least one new type of Troll.
-1-3 new Kaiju.
-0-1 demons, devils, and daemons.
-At least one of the following creatures: Nekomata, Cat Sithe, The Cheshire Cat, Bakeneko.
-15+ non-fungus based plant creatures and the rest of the leshy.
-Some new Tane.
-At least one new Titan.
-Finally having some Gigas in a hardcover bestiary.
-Finishing the 3.5 monsters left from earlier APs and many of the earlier pathfinder APs that can still be used.
-A CR25+ creature that is small or tiny size but isn't a swarm.
-Finally a new type of Lamia.
-At least a few robots.
-Some more alien creatures especially alien animals.
-A lot more non-humanoid undead.
-A good aligned intelligent ooze.
-At least one more good aligned Aberration.
-2-5 new types of Linnorms.
-A CR20+ monstrous humanoid.
-At least one creature each(hopefully more) from the positive energy plane, dimension of time, and dimension of dreams.


The Evil Queen wrote:
That was the only picture I could find of the Aziwugum, and it only mentioned the black fish-scales and powerful tail? Where did you read about the walrus stuff?

http://www.mythicalcreatureslist.com/mythical-creature/Az-I-Wu-Gum-Ki-Mukh- %27Ti

I read a novel that fused the walrus traits with the creature more heavily.

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This may have been brought up before: has the idea been considered that Bestiary 5 may come after Occult Adventures in order to incorporate the new psychic rules into new psychic monsters?

It always seemed to me that Bestiary 3 was "the Eastern one" because of all its Eastern-themed monsters, linking it with the Eastern-themed content of Ultimate Combat. Then Bestiary 4 was "the mythic one" since it was the first bestiary to use the mythic rules established in Mythic Adventures. Is it reasonable to hypothesize that B5 will be "the psychic one"?

After all, the GenCon panel mentioned that they considered but ultimately decided against making all-new psychic monsters for Occult Adventures. Maybe some of those will find their place in B5.


I wouldn't mind a psychic theme, as long as it ain't a robot/space theme and also enough of my Mythology wishes make it in.


It might be the theme, or might be something else, as long as B5 comes out next year I will be happy. Since the monsters in OA will be old monsters with psychic magic themes/abilities then have the new psychic monsters in B5 would make sense.


We need more undead based on animals, vermin, plants, aberrations, magical beast and oozes.

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Can anyone find me a legit source on a creature called a "Kaster?" Gemstones are involved. Maybe Scandinavian.

Deviant Art does not count a "legit."


Is there some sort of (non-legit) source you can provide?

Like...I can't even find a online hit, and this is not even remotely triggering recognition with me.


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Okay...found the deviantart reference (which might be considered vaguely NSFW

http://humon.deviantart.com/art/Kaster-439881577

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Wes, couldn't really find anything about it other than Humon's (the artist on DeviantArt) comment "I've only seen it mentioned in one book about folklore, so it might be very area specific and almost forgotten, or a confusion with another folklore creature."

There was also an exchange between Humon and some other users in Danish--some people suggested the kaster was something Humon had made up herself rather than an authentic piece of folklore. She didn't admit it, but well who knows.

Other than that, kaster means "thrower" or "throw/throws" (verb) in Danish; cognates of caster and cast.


Can you fix that link MMCJawa?


Probably fake or from harry potter lol.

On some sites people even say the aurumvorax comes from native american myths LIKE lol!! D&D can wish tho but the aurumvorax = alicanto + nemean lion


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Also that Humon-guy just uses myths from other mythologies and turns it into his own versions and calls them Danish, nothing wrong with that tho, but spreading them like they are real myths is strange, you loose the copyright then.

Anyway he made up this Well Man, which in fact is just the Ill Belliegha from Maltese mythology, the Gem-man is probably inspired by other gem creatures such as Carbuncle and Uktena.

Anyway I found a new interesting creature on the webs.

Pesta

The Black Death was a tragedy for all of the Scandinavian countries, Denmark lost one third of its population, while Norway lost half. The plaque was so devastating, the people soon made it into a character of its own. Pesta comes as the figure of death and illness, in the shape of a hideous, old woman dressed in black, carrying a broom and a rake. She traveled from farm to farm, spreading the plague. If she carried with her the rake, some of the inhabitants would survive, but if she was carrying the broom, everyone in the family would soon die. It is still common to mention Pesta in the context of disease and illness.


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Updated list - the rate of new additions is slowing considerably, hence the big gap between releases, of note for this release is the beasts found in the first 70 APs are now in the list too!

Soon be caught up with the latest requests now :)


A Japanese critter.

Amanojaku (Japanese) - Strange shapeshifters that take the forms of cute little kittens to lure prey into a false sense of safety so they can be transported by their prey into towns unnoticed. Their true form is that of a huge cat/baboon/lizard like horror. They are also close related with Djinns, they can forfill desires, but at the cost of your soul.

They remind me of the Julajimus from Monster Manual 2 of D&D's 3.5 version.


So Anthony when B5 does come out will you be updating this list with what made it in?


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Angels

(Type of Angels)

1)Amesha Spenta

2)Cherub

3)Mu'aqqibat

4)Principalities

5)Seraphim

6)Thrones

7)Virtues

(Specific angels)

1)Arariel

2)Cassiel

3)Daniel

4)Hadraniel

5)Zadkiel

6)Jegudiel

7)Kiraman Katibin

8)Michael

9)Netzach

10)Uriel


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Dragon78 wrote:
So Anthony when B5 does come out will you be updating this list with what made it in?

So long as I recognize which beast relates to which request, yeah. I also intend to go through the 2,3,and 4 wish lists too adding in any not yet listed.

Not sure how long for the next update, possibly a couple of weeks - I have at least one article accepted for Wayfinder, so depending on editing needs, that takes priority till sign off ;)


I've received Monster Manual 1 5th Edition.

And while many of the monsters in that book are awesome like always, many monsters are duplicates and unneccesairy adds, and NO Destrachan and Astral Stalker, but a Grick and a Darkmantle, means BOOO!

Spoiler:

Monsters I would have left out of the MM1:
- Aaracocra (better for later editions),
- Deva (When they finally come up with more interesting angels instead of re-using these boring ones),
- Animated Armor (Uhm, almost the same as Helmed Horror, of al animated objects possible why Armor while you already have the horror? I love the sword and rug though)
- Cambion (Yes in a book with limited space I would also put Succubus + Incubus + Cambion...)
- Cyclops (Is tomed down into just another ogre/hill giant clone, I liked the 4th edition Cyclops much better.)
- Darkmantle (WHAT! This creature is more iconic than the Destrachan? It is a copy of so many other creatures I won't even try.)
- Manes (With dretch already there, I think its a wasted spot, and where is Babau?)
- Spinagon (And Hamatula in one book? At least i'm happy the boring Spinagon isn't replacing the Hamatula this time already.)
- Allosaurus (No Deinonychus but a T.Rex wannabee? Wasted opertunity!)
- Brass Dragon (One of the smartest things of 4th Edition was that they replaced the Brass Dragon with the Adamantium Dragon, why they undid that? The Brass Dragon is by far the worst dragon ever.)
- Flameskull (No Bodak, Nightshade, Morgh and Devourer, but a Flameskull? Which is just a Demi-lich but weaker? I don't get them...)
- Flumph (I know many people love this thing, but I don't understand why they suddenly have to use it again after so long? Probably because Pathfinder made it more awesome or something and they wanted to do better. Anyway I would liked something else.)
- Ghost (With banshees, Poltergeists, spectres and wraiths around, I don't think Ghosts make sense at all.)
- Hill Giant and Storm Giant (I would have replaced them with Death and Eldritch Giants to make it more interesting, and Hill giants are just big Ogres and two eyed cyclops.)
- Gith (I just hate them, when will they finally stop excisting.)
- Svirfneblin (What?!? No Spriggans, no Derro and No Quicklings, but Svirfneblin made it in? Wha!?)
- Clay Golem (Yeah... the most boring golem ever. It is time to break the habit and replace that golem with a more interesting one, like Bone or Glass.)
- Grick (one of the most boring D&D critters ever, it should be in a later MM.)
- Hippogriff (of all mythological monsters, this boring creature and clone of the Griffon makes it in? Don't make me laugh.)
- Hobgoblin (NEver cared for them, Bugbear and Orc are much better.)
- Jackalwere (nice for later MM's but not for MM1.)
- Mephit (Never undestood them, just imps with an element added...)
- Modrons (Yeah right... bleghhh! At least used Automatons or Clockwork Horrors, not these comic-creatures.)
- Bone Naga (instead of Dark Naga... what a crime!)
- Half-Ogre (boring)
- Pseudodragon (Yes, have two small dragons Faerie and Pseudo, and make them both the same and good-alignment... makes sense!)
- Sprite (Yes, have two small faeries, Pixe and Sprite, and make them both good-natured...)
- Quaggoth (Probably one of the most boring creatures in the book, could they not find a better Drow-Slave than that white bugbear thing?)
- Revenant (Rather seen more interesting Undead)
- Shield Guardian (Looks like a Stone Golem to me)
- Slaad (Oh, not them again... Such a boring lot!)
- Spectre (At least give them something interesting, these have nothing special, they are just weak ghosts...)
- Water Weird (While i LOVE The Water Weird, I don't get it, two water elementals in one book?)
- Yugoloths (Ah, Pathfinder turned them so cool and awesome into daemons, that I really disliked the Yugoloth more and more. Ultroloth is cool tho)

There are a lot of cool artworks in there though and some monsters did improve, but overal i'm still a bigger fan of Pathfinder's monsters, they add new stuff, while D&D keeps hanging around with the (always the same) old.

One new creature though (A titan variant if i'm not wrong) called the Empyrean has a VERY interesting new ability.

This creatures emotions influence the entire landscape, when it is sad it will storm or rain and animals and plants wither and die, when it is happy the sun will shine and animals will be on their prettiest.

Awesome new ability. Would like to see this ability somewhere in Pathfinder. (Not the Empyrean tho)


Wow, your going to look through the other bestiary wish lists, that is a lot of work, well good luck.


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The Evil Queen wrote:

I've received Monster Manual 1 5th Edition.

And while many of the monsters in that book are awesome like always, many monsters are duplicates and unneccesairy adds, and NO Destrachan and Astral Stalker, but a Grick and a Darkmantle, means BOOO!

** spoiler omitted **...

I can understand their stance though, it is DnD and their are expectations of the DnD communities that the base creatures which include hobgoblins, ghosts etc being available from the off (although the flumph should go :P) - AND this edition is supposed to allow easy use of your old shelves of 1st and 2nd edition modules without too much grafting needed.

I like it for the old school feel but Pathfinder still wins for me too.

I also like continuity and the renewing editions every 3-5 years of Wizards is hurting the pockets too much - Pathfinder has that longevity feel now and I am very comfortable with that.


I hate Hobgoblins unlike any other people on this earth, I never understood their fame.

But what if that creature becomes more special, give the beast-training to the beast-like Bugbear and the stupid early-enemy feel to goblins, but give EXPLOSIONS to the Hobgoblin, that makes them special and gives them a fun link with the spiderman-enemy they are created from (as hobgoblins from myth are actually the gentle variety of goblins)

They should LOVE explosions, they should try to create as many explosions as possible and thrive in the chaos that explosions create.

Yes a Hobgoblin that is addicted to any form of explosion and uses explosive traps and weapons would win me over.


Along with life/positive energy elementals, death/negative energy elementals, dream elementals, and time elementals. I would like to see spirit elementals and psychic elementals, maybe with a connection to ethereal and astral planes respectively.

Also some non evil aligned(especially a good aligned) cold based fey and other elemental, seasonal, and weather themed fey. Could use some summer and fire based ones as well as storms and electricity based ones.


I remember the Internet angst over the 4e monster manual not having a frost giant, so I can't see any way they were going to not have hobgoblins or ghosts or hill giants.

I do second the notion of having Babau instead of manes.


Ahh the human traditions... Never liked them. So every Monster Manual 1 will be 100% the same as the other because no monsters can go lost. I hope pathfinder 2 (if it ever happens) won't copry bestiary 1 100% but mixes monsters from 1,2,3,4 and 5 (if it will ever come out) and not only D&D monsters.


Also about the Kaster, i've found another site "victim" that now spreads that the Kaster is a real creature, probably taken from Deviantart as the only picture of the kastor is taken directly from the only picture and source on the internet.

Well how do you create a myth? Just have good drawing skills, draw a creature and say that it is from forgotten myths of your country...

Famous myth site with Kaster.


And can anyone give me more info on the Flaga? Which is suppose to be a european (or something) mirror spirit?

Flaga info


try looking up the plural form, Flagae. I noticed a lot more links using that term


MMCJawa wrote:
try looking up the plural form, Flagae. I noticed a lot more links using that term

Thanks mate! Now I see it is a real creature and I can use it without doubt.

It is even on this site and if it is on that site it must be truth.

The Kastor would be nice to be real, but I doubt it.


Knucker (dragon)- snake-like or just slim body, four legs, vestigial wings, a type of English water dragon.

Lindworm (dragon)- snake-like body, only front two legs, like a linnorm but much, much weaker.


You forgot the best part about the Knucker...

The Knuckerholes in which it lives, (seemingly endless water pits/holes) that is which makes the creature interesting.

I can see the knucker look like something like the D&D Kazrith, another creature that lives in water holes, and which was obviously inspired by the Knucker.

none of D&D monsters is unique, they are all stolen and corrupted from Mythology, Lovecraft and fairytales if you just search good enough.

NEVER call an Ettercap, Cloaker, Bulette, Carrion Crawler, Julajimus, Zorbo, Aboleth original, they all got links with myths and stories.


Lindworm is basically just the real name for the Linnorm.


The Evil Queen wrote:

You forgot the best part about the Knucker...

The Knuckerholes in which it lives, (seemingly endless water pits/holes) that is which makes the creature interesting.

I can see the knucker look like something like the D&D Kazrith, another creature that lives in water holes, and which was obviously inspired by the Knucker.

none of D&D monsters is unique, they are all stolen and corrupted from Mythology, Lovecraft and fairytales if you just search good enough.

NEVER call an Ettercap, Cloaker, Bulette, Carrion Crawler, Julajimus, Zorbo, Aboleth original, they all got links with myths and stories.

meh...maybe they are convergence in ideas to some extent, but I don't think any of these creatures took inspiration from folklore. Most of the older monsters have a well known history of where they come from.

Also, the Lethifold is almost certain an invention from Harry Potter. So if anything, the Cloaker inspired the Lethifold.


The Evil Queen wrote:

You forgot the best part about the Knucker...

The Knuckerholes in which it lives, (seemingly endless water pits/holes) that is which makes the creature interesting.

I can see the knucker look like something like the D&D Kazrith, another creature that lives in water holes, and which was obviously inspired by the Knucker.

none of D&D monsters is unique, they are all stolen and corrupted from Mythology, Lovecraft and fairytales if you just search good enough.

NEVER call an Ettercap, Cloaker, Bulette, Carrion Crawler, Julajimus, Zorbo, Aboleth original, they all got links with myths and stories.

Um, no. Kind of an extreme conclusion to come to. So we have Cyclopes, Centaurs, Minotaurs, and Harpies made up seperately in both Greece and the Phillipines, but game designers are incapable of generating monsters with extremely vague similarities to mythical creatures? Especially considering the fact that a lot of those D&D monsters have their conceptual origins well recorded, and that even in the early days the designers gladly and oftenly included very obscure mythical beasts, like a Beithir/Behir, Carbuncle and even a Berbalang, I really don't understand why they would come up with some kind of conspiracy to pass mythical monsters off as original, for the sinister purpose of, um, impressing people with their creativity as oppose to their experties on the subject? Achieving world domination? Notably they did clone a lot of copyrighted creatures but that was on an "only if they had too" basis. Then we can consider the fact that a lot of the creatures you're citing them as are hugely obscure and hard to research even by today's standards, and know that most of the classic D&D monsters you're referencing were created before the internet. Considering the fact that amateur monster nerds like us today have way more access to info about well, more or less anything, than the early designers did back then, they did an outstanding job of including rarer mythical monsters in the game.

Out of curiosity's sake, what mythical creatures are you comparing the Ettercap and the Carrion Crawler too? I can think of a couple like the Carrion Crawler but next to nothing like the ever awesome Ettercap.


I don't remember any creature from myth that looked like a beholder;)


I've read somewhere that the Ettercap was taken from Tolkiens work, or otherwise the Arrach maybe.

Carrion Crawlers probably came from AWD Goggie.

For the beholder they probably thought about the greek Argus lol but wanted to be original.

But I let my dislike for D&D take over again, they probably created their own creations, but I don't want to admit that.

I think D&D is very uninspired lately, always using the same old monsters and never come up with something new anymore, while Pathfinder keeps on pouring us in obscure mythology monsters and awesome new designs + some extra spices from books, lovecraft, fairytales, child stories and even horror movies.

And lethifold from Harry Potter? Damn... I really hoped that was an original monster much like the green tree goblin with frog features...


I am wondering where the results of the contest will be revealed.


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I am wondering where the results of the contest will be revealed.

I found my answer, please disregard.


So, does anyone know where the contest entries are being posted? I'd love to see if any of my guys got made.

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