I now have my hands on Bestiary 4, so here's my updated wishlist:
- More Aeons, we only have 5... since B2... come one now.
- More Asuras, we only have 5 since B3
- More Demodands, we only have 3 since B3
- More Inevitables, we only have 5 since B2... again...
- More Proteans, we only have 4... since B2... geez...
- More Rakshasas, we have 6 so far, since B3.
- More Divs, we only have 7 since B3
- More Formians, we so far have 5 since B4, pretty sure they can go for more.
Ok, look, basically, take all of the major Outsider families and add new species until you reach 10 at least. We have plenty of Demons, Devils and Daemons, the others need more exposures. That could also include Angels, Azatas, Archons, Qlippoths, Kamis and such.
Aside from that:
- More Demon Lords, we so far have 3 since B4, so here's a sublist:
* Baphomet
* Fraz-Urb'luu
* Jubilex
* Orcus
* Demogorgon
* Graz'zt
* Malcanthet
* Obox-Ob
* Pale Night
* Zuggtmoy
- More Genies... hmmm... would it be possible to have more using the new elementals as bases, like Ice, Lightning, Magma and Mud?
- More Behemoths, we only have 3 since B3, and more could be added.
Other behemoths exist, such as sirocco behemoths that flay with air and fire, behemoths of the lightless depths of the oceans, and dread holocaust behemoths forged oflightning and fire. Some deities take particular delight in spawning truly unique and powerful behemoths [...]
Yeah, I would love to see more of these. Speaking of huge monsters...
- More Kaijus... ok, why can Paizo publish over a dozen of Devils and Demons when they first release a book, but never go above 3 or 5 for new categories, page limit aside? These are the Kaijus that are listed in the "Known kaijus" block:
* Agmazar, the Star Titan of the vast jungle
* Cimurlian, the Great Bear of the frozen north
* Ebeshra, the Winged Razor of the furthest clouds
* Igroon, the Dragon Eater of the lost island
* Mantraska, the World Talons of the rain forest
* Shbloon, the Vortex Maw of the ocean deep
* Lord Varklops, the Thrice-Headed Fiend of the dormant volcano
* Queen Vorgozen, the Shapeless Feeder of the vast swamp
* Yarthoon, the Moon Grub of the darkest nights
* Yorak, the Horned Thunder of the great mountains
* Zimivra, the Endless Coils of the trackless desert
Paizo, if you're starting to run out of ideas, you can fill the blanks with these.
- More Colossi, we have in B4 Flesh, Iron and Stone, so Clay, Ice, Wood, Adamantine, Mithral, Alchemical, Carrion, Clockwork, Glass, Bone, Brass, Cannon, Fossil, Blood, Coral, Junk and Wax Colossi could be added. Please also note that Golems have been featured in every major Bestiary so far.
- More Chromatic and Metallic Dragons, screw you haters, I want more. Beside, I feel like they're running out of ideas of dragon families.
* Gray, Brown, Orange, Purple and Yellow
* Adamantine, Orium, Lead, Iron and Steel
- More Lycanthropes, like Eagle/Hawk, Raven, Owl and Dinosaur.
That would be it for me.
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- More Demon Lords, we so far have 3 since B4, so here's a sublist:
You realize that most of this list for the demon lords is Wizards of the Coast IP, right? The only ones that are fully open content are Baphomet, Fraz-Urb'luu, Jubilex, and Orcus. [Thank you, Tome of Horrors]
The NAME Demogorgon would be open, but the traditional D&D depictions of him would not be allowed.
- More Demon Lords, we so far have 3 since B4, so here's a sublist:You realize that most of this list for the demon lords is Wizards of the Coast IP, right? The only one that's fully open content is Orcus.
The NAMES Baphomet and Demogorgon would be open, but the traditional D&D depictions of those two would not be allowed.
Yes, I know that. Those demon lords have actual real-life origins and Paizo should go for these instead of the ones used by WotC.
Then again, Baphomet has ALWAYS been depicted as a huge minotaur, or a demon with bull horns, so they can't really change it to something completely different.
As for which they could use, these lords have already been published in the Tome of Horrors, which is 3rd-party: Baphomet, Fraz-Urb'luu, Jubilex and Orcus. If Necromancer Games and Frog God Games were able to add these in there own book, despite already been published in another book by WotC, Paizo should also be free to do so as well.
Demogorgon is based on a "real" pagan deity or demon, but the two-hyena-headed or two-baboon-headed vague tentacled body form would have to be changed to something new or something already depicted in the real-life folklore.
Demogorgon is based on a "real" pagan deity or demon, but the two-hyena-headed or two-baboon-headed vague tentacled body form would have to be changed to something new or something already depicted in the real-life folklore.
James Jacobs has addressed this in the past. Since so many people (including himself and other people at Paizo) so strongly identify the name Demogorgon with that depiction of the creature, they're deliberately avoiding using him in any sort of prominence. They're allowed to use the name due to its historical relevance, so there's an allowance for players to bring in the two-headed-baboon-with-tentacles Demogorgon of WotC's products if they want, but Paizo at this point has no interest in doing anything with him in regards to Golarion.
- More Aeons, we only have 5... since B2... come one now.
This likewise is mostly deliberate. Nobody at Paizo really... cares for Aeons. Psychopomps are now the True Neutral Outsider of choice, for most things considered. Thus we're unlikely to see more of them.
Yup. There's a summary of it on the Pathfinder Wiki - it basically just gives his name, title, alignment, and domains, and says "He's busy paying more attention to other worlds right now, and thus sparing Golarion his malevolence".
The Behemoths? They're based on three great beasts from Judeo-Christian myth. The thunder behemoth is based on... well, the Behemoth, the thalassic behemoth is based on the Leviathan, and the tempest behemoth is inspired by the lesser-known Ziz.
Not sure what they could do with the subtype beyond that.
I'd like to see some kind of magitek giant mecha.
Also, most of the outsider rulers have unique type names. Asuras are ruled by ranas, and kytons by demagogues. Let me just get them out of the way... *pulls out scroll* ... there are archdevils, Horsemen, demon/protean/kami/empyreal/qlippoth lords, rakshasa immortals, kyton demagogues, asura ranas, primal inevitables, oni daimyo. Demodands are ruled by titans, and divs only have one archfiend ruler, Ahriman.
Obox-ob, Pale Night and Zuggtmoy are 100% WotC IP.
Well... that sucks...
Demogorgon is based on a "real" pagan deity or demon, but the two-hyena-headed or two-baboon-headed vague tentacled body form would have to be changed to something new or something already depicted in the real-life folklore.James Jacobs has addressed this in the past. Since so many people (including himself and other people at Paizo) so strongly identify the name Demogorgon with that depiction of the creature, they're deliberately avoiding using him in any sort of prominence. They're allowed to use the name due to its historical relevance, so there's an allowance for players to bring in the two-headed-baboon-with-tentacles Demogorgon of WotC's products if they want, but Paizo at this point has no interest in doing anything with him in regards to Golarion.
Isn't it a bit suggestive? A lot of monsters had cosmetic changes from WotC and Paizo. The Rusalka went from a blond, blue-skinned humanoid female from the arctic water to a dark-haired, white-skinned humanoid female with deadly braids from any water spot. Oh and she changed from CG to CE. The Selkie went from a woman who could turn into a seal to a... monstrous centauric seal female. The Blink Dog went for a German Shepard to another kind of dor breed. The Attach went from a giant with a third arm on its chest to having a skeletal arm under one of its arms. The Hydra went from a multi-headed quadrupedal lizard to a multi-headed snake. Kostchtchie went from a disfigured frost giant to a rather less ugly giant. The gnomes went from short people with normal dwarven attributes to short people with leaves and green hairs
(I could go on and on about that matter)
I think people who made the jump to Pathfinder already know that the creature designs are gonna change, just like they did from 2e to 3e to 4e. So, their concern about Demogorgon,s appearance is rather pointless since they've changed the rest of the monsters we have been used to already.
Beside, Demogorgon went from Hyena to Baboon in 3e, from the Book of Vile Darkness to Hordes of the Abyss/Miniature Handbook... I didn't see a riot about it.
This likewise is mostly deliberate. Nobody at Paizo really... cares for Aeons. Psychopomps are now the True Neutral Outsider of choice, for most things considered. Thus we're unlikely to see more of them.
Either it's deliberate or they simply forgot about it.
The Behemoths? They're based on three great beasts from Judeo-Christian myth. The thunder behemoth is based on... well, the Behemoth, the thalassic behemoth is based on the Leviathan, and the tempest behemoth is inspired by the lesser-known Ziz.
Not sure what they could do with the subtype beyond that.
Like I said:
- sirocco behemoths that flay with air and fire- behemoths of the lightless depths of the oceans
- dread holocaust behemoths forged of lightning and fire
Those are mentioned in the Behemoth entry, so I would assume that more would exist.
I'd like to see some kind of magitek giant mecha.
The Kaijus made you wish for Jeagers, did they...?
I'd cast a vote for an intermediate volume dedicated to the wide array of dragons... (yes, a "Draconomicon", or "Encyclopedia Draconum", or "Ultimate Dragons") and taking the iconic monster a little further with ready-to-use dragons at 5, 10, 15, 20, and Epic levels for every known type as well as variants or subtypes and templates. Include sections on lairs, lore, and legends. Etc.
Just ideas and examples of course.
I already love the variety of dragons we have in the various core bestiaries now, but it would be soooo handy to have it all in one volume.
I admit... I'm a total sucker for all things dragon.
This is a personal thing, but I'm kinda hoping for more constructs, as well as better/clearer rules for creating constructs. More interesting options for constructs would also be nice. Constructs in general are cool. I was under the impression that beastiary 4 would be doing that, and while there are a number of cool new constructs, there are no better rules for their creation.
I think people who made the jump to Pathfinder already know that the creature designs are gonna change, just like they did from 2e to 3e to 4e. So, their concern about Demogorgon,s appearance is rather pointless since they've changed the rest of the monsters we have been used to already.
I think it's more they - the Paizo team, or at least James and the others working on such critters - don't want to change him, because they identify him with his 3E incarnation so strongly.
It's the same problem they have with Tiamat. They can use the name - since she's an ancient Babylonian deity - but they can't use the five-headed dragon depiction of her. But since they so strongly associate that name with that creature, they've chosen instead to simply not do anything with her, rather than come up with some new design and remake her, and just focus on Apsu and Dahak instead.
What's a Jeager?
(I have not seen Pacific Rim, if that's what you're talking about)
They're the robots from Pacific Rim, yes.
Yeah - Jeager/Jager are colossal robot/mecha. I suppose you could use Clockwork construct rules to get there.
In our 30-year old campaign we have something just like this that we created in the early 80's "The Mighty Servant of Leuk-O" which took 2 people to run it. Once inside, you were trapped there forever and had to control the machine.
Nasty... devastating... and impossible to "kill".
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Obox-ob, Pale Night and Zuggtmoy are 100% WotC IP.Well... that sucks...
Demogorgon is based on a "real" pagan deity or demon, but the two-hyena-headed or two-baboon-headed vague tentacled body form would have to be changed to something new or something already depicted in the real-life folklore.James Jacobs has addressed this in the past. Since so many people (including himself and other people at Paizo) so strongly identify the name Demogorgon with that depiction of the creature, they're deliberately avoiding using him in any sort of prominence. They're allowed to use the name due to its historical relevance, so there's an allowance for players to bring in the two-headed-baboon-with-tentacles Demogorgon of WotC's products if they want, but Paizo at this point has no interest in doing anything with him in regards to Golarion.Isn't it a bit suggestive? A lot of monsters had cosmetic changes from WotC and Paizo. The Rusalka went from a blond, blue-skinned humanoid female from the arctic water to a dark-haired, white-skinned humanoid female with deadly braids from any water spot. Oh and she changed from CG to CE. The Selkie went from a woman who could turn into a seal to a... monstrous centauric seal female. The Blink Dog went for a German Shepard to another kind of dor breed. The Attach went from a giant with a third arm on its chest to having a skeletal arm under one of its arms. The Hydra went from a multi-headed quadrupedal lizard to a multi-headed snake. Kostchtchie went from a disfigured frost giant to a rather less ugly giant. The gnomes went from short people with normal dwarven attributes to short people with leaves and green hairs
(I could go on and on about that matter)
I think people who made the jump to Pathfinder already know that the creature designs are gonna change, just like they did from 2e to 3e to 4e. So, their concern about Demogorgon,s appearance is rather pointless since they've changed the rest of the...
Thing is, the folks at Paizo LIKE the two-mandril headed, tentacled, snake-necked, reptilian version of Demogorgon. They don't WANT to replace it with something else. And that's fine. If you want to use him in your version of Golarion, that's fine too.
There are "sortof" magitech giant mecha in the beastiary 4; they're this sort of mythic construct. Very expensive, but very powerful, with the biggest (the iron collossus) clocking in at CR 21/MR 8. There's a stone collossus that can turn into a castle (they did a preview of it). There's the flesh collossus that is just weird.
Yeah - if any DM needs to they can probably extrapolate from something like that pretty easily.
I'm still waiting for B4 to arrive at my local game store... On a positive note, I did get the Gargantuan Green Dragon (from LoG mini set) - last one anywhere around here. w00t!
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Lust is mostly a sin and angels are sinfree creatures. So I don't think a sex-based angel (most angels already look sexy BTW) is gonna happen anytime soon. :-p
I think you're right that it's not going to happen soon (and also that many angels currently look sexy), but I'm still going to have it on my wish list because I'd like to see it.
As to the sinfulness of lust... that's a complex argument waiting to happen. I'm tempted to leap right in, but I think it would derail this thread so I won't.
Suffice it to say, that I'm simply interested what the creative minds at Paizo would come up with for such a counter-intuitive creature design and I'm sure they'd build something fascinating. I can always build my own sexy angels for settings where it will fit, but Paizo just makes really good and inspiring content so I'd like to see what they do.
I'm admittedly weird on that. I like the big baboon look far more than the snakey look he had in Book of Vile Darkness.... except the heads. I prefer the hyena heads over the ape heads.
If we could somehow stick the BoVD heads of Demogorgon on the more common freak-ape body, I'd be 100% okay with that.
Thing is, the folks at Paizo LIKE the two-mandril headed, tentacled, snake-necked, reptilian version of Demogorgon. They don't WANT to replace it with something else. And that's fine. If you want to use him in your version of Golarion, that's fine too.
The problem with that opinion is that we'll never get a real, official Pathfinder version of Demogorgon.
Yes, I can ALWAYS convert it on my own, figuring what kind of mythic abilities and such could be added, but I believe that the guys and gals at Paizo are just better suited for that than I am.
Beside, if they claimed that they CANNOT make Demogorgon's design even better... then they have some issues.
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Demogorgon ... would have to be changed to something new or something already depicted in the real-life folklore.
The reason Paizo won't do much for Demogorgon (or Tiamat, etc.) is because they would not merely alienate the majority of their customers (and probably 99% of their original customer base) but they would actually piss us off. Royally! Not just that they like the original themselves.
Whatever some monk with an overactive imagination said 1700 years ago about Demogorgon (which was actually nothing at all beyond a scary name) -- for us he's the two-mandrill-headed, cephalapod-armed, monster with split personalities, Aameul and Hethradiah. That's a sacred cow -- what we hate WotC for ruining.
We would burn Paizo down if they ever changed Demogorgon. Same with Tiamat.
EDIT: I'd like to see more easter-eggs, the kind Orthos and Kthulhu mention earlier. We can have an occassional cultist of Demogorgon or Tiamat show up without going into the actual Divinity's background. We already have the background -- it's just that WotC owns it.
But we sure as heck can't change it!
Thing is, the folks at Paizo LIKE the two-mandril headed, tentacled, snake-necked, reptilian version of Demogorgon. They don't WANT to replace it with something else. And that's fine. If you want to use him in your version of Golarion, that's fine too.The problem with that opinion is that we'll never get a real, official Pathfinder version of Demogorgon.
You'll have to convince them that this is a bad thing - and, as W E Ray said, convince them that it won't cause a stir among the majority of players and thus cost them fans and money.
At the moment, they're happy with what the old game gave them, and leaving him a minor player in Golarion's cosmology so that if they and/or we want to use him as he was before it doesn't conflict. Last that was mentioned on the subject was no interest in altering or updating him.
Ditto with Tiamat - they made her a withdrawn, neutral player and focused the dragon-deity conflict on Apsu and Dahak specifically so that they wouldn't need to revamp and redesign Tiamat, and could leave her for players to use her 3E five-headed-chromatic dragon queen incarnation if they so desired.
Sorry, that's how it is.
I would like to see nascent demon lords, archdevils, dukes of Hell, malebranche, and maybe a sample 'uber 20' from all the outsiders that had them listed. This sort of thing could go in a world specific or general bestiary, I don't mind. And more empyreal lords, demon lords, kaiju, Great Old Ones...pretty much, 2-3 of any of those big guys you put in the Bestiary 4, I'm solid on doing more of.
I don't want to see Inner Sea Bestiary ripped from until it's sold out or nearly so. If you want the monsters in there, there is a simple solution...buy it.
I do like seeing the AP bestiaries compiled though, so the poster who mentioned so many of those (was it you, Mikase?) has a thumbs up from me.
I would like seeing lesser titans, regular old formorian giants (or some type of fey giant/giant from First World), an adamantine and mithril colossus, elemental lords and First World Eldest.
I wouldn't mind more kytons, qlippoth, aeons, inevitibles, or proteans. Especially proteans, they've got pretty slim pickins at the moment. Asura, psychopomps and rakshasa seem to have a pretty solid setup, though I wouldn't complain if we got more. Same with the celestials.
I would like more alien creatures, old ones drawn from whatever properties are out there, new originals, etc.
I would like to see cait sith.
Not sure whatelse at the moment.
Pennywise was more of a Lovecraftian horror then a demon.
Well I haven't seen a good aligned horned furry monstrous humanoid that can control rocks. Also I said creatures inspired by these guys like the Bodyfilcher(Bodysnatcher), Carnivorous Blob(The Blob), etc. I am sure they can think of interesting things that can be used.
I thought Pennywise was actually an universal force (aka cosmic entity) who acted as the opposing force to "the Turtle".
As I recall, in the movie, Pennywise showed his true form (a floating mass of scintillating colors and light) to one guy who ended up driven insane by seeing it.
As for the whole giant spider thing, I believe it was just another form the "entity" (aka Pennywise) could take in order to do what it loved to do best (aka kill people who were frightened before they die).
As for the "The Blob", I believe we have that in one of the monster manuals (CR 12 or 13 I believe).
The Hungry Flesh = blob just look at that picture.
I think the closest Golarion has to an actual mecha thus far is... well...
Baba Yaga's Dancing Hut. Yeah.
The Carnivorous Blob = the blob and we already got him in Bestiary 2. If you didn't notice I was using the Carnivorous Blob and Bodyfilcher as examples of creatures based on movies that Paizo has used already.
Pennywise's true form causes insanity, that is truly a Lovecraft style creature.
The Hungry flesh just looks like diseased flesh not like the blob at all.
You'll have to convince them that this is a bad thing - and, as W E Ray said, convince them that it won't cause a stir among the majority of players and thus cost them fans and money.
I'm calling "never getting something" a "bad thing". For instance, "never getting Demogorgon in Pathfinder" is a "bad thing".
As for the rest:
- Did Paizo ask the fans about it? No...
- Did Paizo make a poll with ideas for Demogorgon's new design? No...
- Did Paizo gauge the interest of fans about Demogorgon's inclusion? No...
Then... How do they know that it's a bad thing? They didn't even try to let us know about it?
Furthermore, with the release of B4, I'm starting to question the idea of "copywritten design". Why? The Formians. These ant-like outsiders were NEVER part of the open license deal thingy, and here they are in B4 for Pathfinder. Watch them add creatures like the Slaads and Displacer Beasts next in B5. Like WotC is gonna sue them for "copying" their monsters when Paizo has essentially "copied" their ENTIRE 3e system. Beside, a creature design = 10$ maximum... like that's gonna cost in the 3 digits anyway.
Look, I really don't wanna sound angry and/or whiny, but it's getting downright annoying that Paizo can't Pathfinder-ize a few monsters due to questionable, if not pointless WotC copywrite issues.
At the moment, they're happy with what the old game gave them, and leaving him a minor player in Golarion's cosmology so that if they and/or we want to use him as he was before it doesn't conflict. Last that was mentioned on the subject was no interest in altering or updating him.
Ok... why? "No interest" either means "Not a care in the world" or "Afraid to abord the subject".
If they like Demogorgon so much, they should just add him in the game. Geez, like I said, ask us for feedback about a possible inclusion of Demogorgon in Pathfinder, THEN use it to make it happen.
HOW HARD CAN THAT BE?!?
Ditto with Tiamat - they made her a withdrawn, neutral player and focused the dragon-deity conflict on Apsu and Dahak specifically so that they wouldn't need to revamp and redesign Tiamat, and could leave her for players to use her 3E five-headed-chromatic dragon queen incarnation if they so desired.
If players have accepted that Bahamut and Tiamat have been "replaced" by Apsu and Dahak, I'm pretty sure players won't complain if Tiamat gets a redesign.
Case in point: in Forgotten Realms' Faiths and Pantheons, they pictured Tiamat as a Young woman with a long dark hair and flowing black robe, NOT as a hydra-like dragon. No riot was done over it.
Paizo has the chance to be creative, to be let their imagination run and to take a chance at redesigning one of D&D's most notorious villains. Tiamat can redesigned as a medusa with little dragon-like snakes in her hair, she can be a half-dragon human with multiple chromatics traits, she can have long sinous dragon heads on her back like a humanoid spider would or she can just be a huge dragon that can change her shape into any of the chromatic dragons.
She doesn't have to be a hydra, she can be anything else. She's a goddess for goodness sake, she can take any form she wishes.
Are people REALLY gonna complain about her getting a redesign? I think people have better things to do, like playing the game, than complaining about a "simple" artist's rendition.
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If you really think people won't complain about something like a redesign, you haven't been on the internet for very long. I miss having that internet naivety...
Honestly, I'd rather Paizo spend more time making new, cool monsters or monsters from folklore, rather than making "Serial Numbers Filed Off, Totally "Original" Character" monsters from WotC's hayday. I don't need "eye tyrants" or "squid flayers" or "replacer cats" to make Paizo look like some off brand DnD. Besides, it's not just the name people want. People want the history, the adventures, and the background.
Not that this argument matter, since they are never porting those characters. If you really want them, do it yourself.
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Lust is mostly a sin and angels are sinfree creatures. So I don't think a sex-based angel (most angels already look sexy BTW) is gonna happen anytime soon. :-p
Not an attack on your wish, just a thought before the entire anti-me gang starts to go berserk again.
i do agree with the unlikelihood of a lust based angel, lust has a generally sinful connotation, and "loving relations angel" or anything of the like just sounds silly... but having a sexually based celestial is very possible, but most likely as an azata, especially if they are servants to the azata Empyreal Lord Qetesh, the sacred lover. or just associated with inspiring love, beauty, or fertility.
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The hungry flesh is definitely the Blob. Mechanics for growing larger and everything. Carnivorous blob is also the Blob. No mechanics for growing larger, but the resistances and vulnerability is there. Both solid adaptations from the source material. Overall, I like the hungry flesh much better. It appeals to a more sophisticated design than the carnivorous blob does.
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If they like Demogorgon so much, they should just add him in the game. Geez, like I said, ask us for feedback about a possible inclusion of Demogorgon in Pathfinder, THEN use it to make it happen.HOW HARD CAN THAT BE?!?
The actual work is pretty damn easy. Do it yourself, if you want to. WotC doesn't really care if you use Demogorgon in your home game of Pathfinder.
If Paizo themselves were to put him in a published book? I would imagine they would care....their biggest rival in the industry would have just opened themselves up to being crippled financially. And Paizo's not stupid enough to do that.
You need to just accept that Paizo isn't going to convert some of these things.
By the way...the formians? They ARE in the SRD. So there goes that argument.
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HOW HARD CAN THAT BE?!?
1m USD legal fees that a high-profile (we don't want to lose a case that could obliterate our company and earn our competition a cheap shot victory in the market, don't we?) lawyer will charge for taking care of a 10m USD punitive damages intellectual property lawsuit. If the lawyer is generous, he'll ask only half of that up front. Oh, and all this happens before any judge or jury gets to look if your three-goat-headed demon lord called Demogorgon is or isn't stepping on toes of their two-baboon-headed demon lord called Demogorgon. That hard.
There are rules for advancing any ooze(and many other creatures) to bigger size so the whole hungry flesh is the blob because it can get bigger means nothing. The carnivorous Blob has the look, immunities, resistances, and weaknesses of the movie monster.
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I'm admittedly weird on that. I like the big baboon look far more than the snakey look he had in Book of Vile Darkness.... except the heads. I prefer the hyena heads over the ape heads.
If we could somehow stick the BoVD heads of Demogorgon on the more common freak-ape body, I'd be 100% okay with that.
I think my biggest problem with his look is that he's supposed to be the most physically powerful demon lord...and I can't imagine a fight between him and...oh, let's say Orcus....where Orcus wouldn't just tear those thin little necks right off.
Thank you for repeating what I just said, Dragon78, about resistance and vulnerabilities. It is good to know that in this day and age of internet vitriol, that some people still care about reading comprehension and ensuring that they adequately understand someone else's position. In all instances that you've stuck to speaking on the carnivorous blob equating to the Blob, you are correct.
Naturally, the hungry flesh is also inspired by the Blob. Not only is it a lower CR, and thus appropriate for the movie monster (which was certainly not brought down by a party of 13th level characters), but its growth mechanic, which represents an in-combat growth, not simply DM monster advancement, is lifted wholesale from the movie's story. It starts smaller, which is much truer to the film's representation, rather than the carnivorous blob which begins right at Colossal. To suggest that it 'means nothing' is to ignore the source matter, possibly due to a lack of understanding or exposure.
The two are different images inspired by the same source material. In a similar way to the shabboath from WotC 3.5 clearly being inspired by shoggoths without actually being shoggoths.
I look at the Carnivorus Blob and Hungry Flesh as the 1958 movie version and the 1988 movie version, respectively.
I think I'd have the Hungry Flesh become a Carnivorous Blob. I'll be honest, though, I've never actually seen either movie. I really should. I like those kind of movies.
Also, totally going to stat a 'replacer cat' now :)
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The carnivorous blob was totally an homage to The Blob. ()
The growth mechanic for the hungry flesh is awesome and a GM could totally add that ability to other oozes. To me, the hungry flesh seems like it could fit an Akira end monster kinda thing on a smaller scale.
Also, totally going to stat a 'replacer cat' now :)For some reason that name puts me in a SCP Foundation frame of mind. Imagining a cat that teleports into people, replaces a vital organ, and nestles in there doing a poor job as a symbiont until the body starts to give out and it has to tear free.
Oddly enough, somewhat similar (albeit more gross) to what I was going for. With mine, it'd replace a creature's limbs with another creatures limbs. So like, giving it legs for feet. Yours is particularly gruesome though :)
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With mine, it'd replace a creature's limbs with another creatures limbs. So like, giving it legs for feet.
We totally need something like this. Some sort of "mad surgeon" creature, whether it's a kyton or a friendly aberration that performs transhuman operations for others(I miss the Sithilar!) or a cat, this needs to happen. :D
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Probably a cat. Because cats are dicks :)
And here I was thinking the replacer cat was the one you get at the pet store when your first one gets eaten by a giant carnivorus rat.
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Personally, I'd like to see:
Great Old Ones :
Chaugnar Faugn
Eihort -God of the Labyrinth
Shudde M'ell
Yibb-Tstll
Nyogtha -the Thing That Should Not Be
Zushakon
Atlach-Nacha
Ubbo-Sathla
Tsathoggua
Mordiggian
Quachil Uttaus
Glaaki
Y'golonac
Nyarlathotep Masks:Black Man,Black Pharaoh,Bloated Woman,The Faceless God,Howler in the Dark-God of the Bloody Tongue,
Byatis-the Serpent-Bearded
Yig
High Priest Not to Be Described
Rhan-Tegoth
Aphoom-Zhah
Zoth-Ommog
Rlim Shaikorth
and some kind of Demon lords - Obox-Ob,Pale Night,Zuggtmoy,Kabriri,Mazmezz, Socothbenoth,Yhidothrus,
and Some Of Elder evils :
The Worm that Walks (demi-god Kyuss)
Zargon the Returner
Bolothamogg, Him Who Watches from Beyond the Stars
Holashner, the Hunger Below
Piscaethces, the Blood Queen
Shothotugg, Eater of Worlds
and my favorite Y’chak (the Violet Flame).
All of them can be both high-level monsters, or - gods and demons to worship
More filth and evil, more destruction and chaos, carried in the world by unnatural creatures!
(and more fun)