for a group i am trying to help found. i am considering a sorcerer with the minmax boards doll judgement discipline.
this has a 1st level stance like ability that lets you control 2 tiny sized dolls per caster level. the dolls have a reach of 5 feet and require spell slots to attack with. they would be wielding small weapons.
assuming the dolls each had a gladius and shield, it would be a D4 per doll before bonuses.
plus the dolls use your strength and dexterity scores, and your caster level in place of bab. but the dolls don't get iteratives.
40D4 at level 20 is 100 damage on average. but it goes through DR 40 times.
i need to prove to him that in 3.5
that either a 10th level martial build is also capable of 100DPR
or a 20th level build is capable of far more.
i need links to these builds with the appropriate caculations
the rules for submitting the links are
3.5 material
no book of 9 swords
no psionics
no incarnum
no tome of magic
nothing by paizo publishing
Lion Totem Barbarian 10. Feats: Power Attack, Leap Attack, Shock Trooper.
Assume Str modifier +8 and a berserker sword for effectively +3.
Attack bonus when charging: 10 BaB +2 charge +8 Str +3 magic for +25/+20, which should mostly hit at level 10. Damage is 2d6 +12 Str +3 Magic +30 Power Attack (non-retarded interpretation of Leap Attack), 104 damage on the pouncing charge.
And that's low op, off the top of my head.
26 strength?
16 base
+2 1/2 orc
+2 level
+2 strength booster
+4 rage
sounds feasible
at level 11 it would be +2 more str for with those feats. power attack, leap attack, shock trooper, lion totem barbarian.
+27/22/17 for 2d6+13+3+33 or 56 damage a hit, or if 2 hits 112, 168 if all 3 hit.
much more than the 40 D4 from the combined 40 magically controlled dolls.
This is not a Pathfinder build, but still posted in a Pathfinder forum?
it was a 3.5 analysis on the advice forum.
the advice forum doesn't matter whether it is pathfinder or 3.5. there are no 2 seperate advice forums.
it was to prove a point to a friend that you could do 100 DPR or more by level 10-11 with a well build martial class using 3.5 material.
Paizo isn't exclusively pathfinder, and we intend to incorporate some aspects of pathfinder maybe. i just wanted help proving a real martial can outdamage an army of 40 magically controlled plushies 9 or 10 levels earlier than the damned dolls.
and really, PF is little more than a series of houserules for 3.5 so really. because pathfinder is a set of 3.5 houserules. it can also be considered a 3.5 forum.
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BBT's point is that there is this forum for just such an emergency.
You'll see other questions just like yours there.
Where they belong.
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This is not a Pathfinder build, but still posted in a Pathfinder forum?it was a 3.5 analysis on the advice forum.
the advice forum doesn't matter whether it is pathfinder or 3.5. there are no 2 seperate advice forums.
it was to prove a point to a friend that you could do 100 DPR or more by level 10-11 with a well build martial class using 3.5 material.
Paizo isn't exclusively pathfinder, and we intend to incorporate some aspects of pathfinder maybe. i just wanted help proving a real martial can outdamage an army of 40 magically controlled plushies 9 or 10 levels earlier than the damned dolls.
and really, PF is little more than a series of houserules for 3.5 so really. because pathfinder is a set of 3.5 houserules. it can also be considered a 3.5 forum.
Wrong.
Pathfinder is not a set of houserules.
Pathfinder is not 3.5, it is it's own thing.
This is not a 3.5 forum in any way, and does not belong here.
You are referencing Homebrew, which does not belong here either.
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This is not a Pathfinder build, but still posted in a Pathfinder forum?it was a 3.5 analysis on the advice forum.
the advice forum doesn't matter whether it is pathfinder or 3.5. there are no 2 seperate advice forums.
it was to prove a point to a friend that you could do 100 DPR or more by level 10-11 with a well build martial class using 3.5 material.
Paizo isn't exclusively pathfinder, and we intend to incorporate some aspects of pathfinder maybe. i just wanted help proving a real martial can outdamage an army of 40 magically controlled plushies 9 or 10 levels earlier than the damned dolls.
and really, PF is little more than a series of houserules for 3.5 so really. because pathfinder is a set of 3.5 houserules. it can also be considered a 3.5 forum.
First of all .. wow.
Second, flagged thread because it should be moved to th correct forum.
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There's a specific 3.5 subforum for discussing stuff that has nothing to do with Pathfinder, which is the case here.
As a side note, I knew that ToB was crazy, but "children sorry dolls yes they are really dolls just in case somebody thinks I have strange kinks about small girls in cute frilly maid dresses" CREEPS THE HELL OUT OF ME.