Not to get too involved in the bitter rolls vs point buy stat battle, but I always thought the importance of stats depended on how rollplay vs roleplay heavy the game was. I know if I was in a numberscrunch ROLL ALL THE DICE game I'd be less than enthused with my rolls. But if (from what I gather) this is more roleplay oriented, it shouldn't really be worth getting too worked up over.
Human Aristocrat 2 Bard 1
N Medium Humanoid (human)
Init +2; Senses Perception +4
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Defense
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AC 13, touch 13, flat-footed 10 (+2 Dex, +1 dodge)
hp 16 (3d8+1)
Fort +1, Ref +4, Will +4
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Offense
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Speed 30 ft.
Special Attacks bardic performance (standard action) (7 rounds/day, bardic performance: countersong, bardic performance: distraction, bardic performance: fascinate (1 targets) (dc 13), bardic performance: inspire courage +1
Bard Spells Known (CL 1):
1 (2/day) Grease (DC 14), Charm Person (DC 14)
0 (at will) Prestidigitation (DC 13), Detect Magic, Mending, Dancing Lights
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Statistics
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Str 9, Dex 15, Con 11, Int 12, Wis 9, Cha 16
Base Atk +1; CMB +0; CMD 13
Feats Combat Reflexes (3 AoO/round), Dodge, Weapon Finesse
Traits Resilient
Skills Acrobatics +7, Appraise +5, Bluff +9, Diplomacy +9, Knowledge (history) +6, Knowledge (nobility) +6, Perception +6, Intuition +4, Spellcraft +5, Stealth +8, Use Magic Device +8
Languages ---, Common
SQ bardic knowledge
Other Gear You have no money!
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Special Abilities
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Bardic Knowledge +1 (Ex) Add +1 to all knowledge skill checks.
Bardic Performance (standard action) (7 rounds/day) Your performances can create magical effects.
Bardic Performance: Countersong (Su) Counter magical effects that depend on sound.
Bardic Performance: Distraction (Su) Counter magical effects that depend on sight.
Bardic Performance: Fascinate (1 targets) (DC 13) (Su) One or more creatures becomes fascinated with you.
Bardic Performance: Inspire Courage +1 (Su) Morale bonus on some saving throws, attack and damage rolls.
Combat Reflexes (3 AoO/round) Can make extra attacks of opportunity/rd, and even when flat-footed.
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Changed Caderre's skills to match the houserule.
Ahhh! Things have changed!
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ehhh...
nice set of numbers there.
my set
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is a 4 even playable?
Edit (reroll)
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Should probably roll with 5d6 in two of my rolls instead of just all 4d6s
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Bit more heavy on the uneven stats than id like, but a good spread none the less.
Having watched alot of The Walking Dead, and loving the character of Hershel, im thinking what the "Cast" of our little "Series" needs is someone similar, an old wise man who is also tough as old leather boots.
More to come...
I'm interested though it will be a few days before I can even start to get a concept together. Unless I adapt a current character, which honestly seems like it really wouldn't save me much time. Haha.
I'll definitely shoot for getting one up though.
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....That war is commonly referred to as the “War of Eshian Independence”....
Yeah. So. F#**it, SAFE, my character supports Eshian independance just fine.
*snip* Half-Elves, Half-Orcs, little green elves
I approve. I don't particularly like Half-Elves and Half-Orcs either, not in the "Humans can breed true with radically different races" sense. In the hypothetical campaign world mentioned above, I would have done something similar with Half-Orcs (consider them a race unto their own that is only called "Half-Orcs" for reasons similar to why "Halflings" are called that"), and probably not permit Half-Elves at all.
Regarding the "'true' elves of Hamth": Being not much taller than Dwarves, but with Elven physiques would make them mechanically Small-sized, wouldn't it? In the 3rd Edition Player's Handbook, at least, it was specifically explained that the reason Dwarves are treated as Medium-sized is because their overall bulk compensates for their short height.
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Regarding the supposed psychosocial angles of stat generation: Whatever else be the case, none of what you and Berezen and the others were talking about is me, I promise. My approach to a party is "you are what you are, everybody else is what they are, you all have your eyes set somewhere along the same horizon, trust everyone to know what they're doing and not be dumb."
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Let me ask again for clarity: Are the stats I previously rolled (16/17/13/10/18/13) acceptable? After a lucky streak like that, I'd hate to lose them.
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Also, were I to play a Psion or Shadowcaster as previously alluded to, how would you apply your Perception and Intuition skills to them? They're both Intelligence-heavy classes, but I could see either or both getting Intuition as well. Then again, I said I'd have 1 level in Aristocrat, and I'm sure that class gives Intuition anyways.
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Are permitted races set in stone? I ask because I've always wanted to combine Pathfinder's Wayang race with an updated Tome of Magic Shadowcaster, and say the Shadow Magic racial DC bonus applies to all mysteries (powerful, yes, but it makes 100% perfect sense, and shadow magic is just about all Wayangs are suited for, goofy Cavalier ideas notwithstanding). Were that permitted, I could drop the Aristocrat level for a level of Expert instead, or maybe just be one of the ones to start out character level 2. I'm probably an explorer, exotic entertainer, or emissary from a distant land (though an emissary might actually have an Aristocrat level). I'm not trying to power-game - this is just something I've always wanted to try, and it can only be done in some kind of home-game.
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You said we get 1 trait. Do you have any "campaign traits" to offer, and/or would you permit modified versions of the Pathfinder Society faction traits?
So if my class originally had perception and sense motive, does that mean that both are class skills?
Edit: Also HP, are we doing average rounded up? so a d6 would be 4 hp or would you rather we rolled our HP here?
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All fair enough. Regarding weird classes, bear in mind I really want to be able to take this opportunity to be something I couldn't be in Organized Play. Also, being an abnormal class means I'm less likely to be piggybacking on someone else's role.
I'm presently leaning toward this Shadowcaster conversion, mostly as described in master arminas' first post. I would like to make just three alterations: make the arrow of dusk mystery deal lethal damage; permit a sufficiently high Intelligence score to grant additional mystery uses per day as though they were a wizard with an Intelligence score 4 lower (for example, an Intelligence of 24 would bestow 2 bonus 1st-level mystery uses and 1 bonus use of 2nd- through 5th-level mysteries); and change the Shadows of Cold Class Feature to the following:
Muted Hues (Ex): Within the Plane of Shadow, many sensations and energies are dampened, including temperature, and this eventually extends to the form of the Shadowcaster. Beginning at 6th level, shadowcasters gain cold and fire resistance 5. These resistances increase by 5 at both 10th and 14th level. At 18th level, these resistances are doubled (to 30 each), and become cumulative with other sources of fire and cold resistance.
I also have ideas for a few homebrewed mystery paths (inspired by some of the Void Magic spells from the Rokugan campaign setting books - but don't worry, they won't wind up looking too much like that) that I would eventually like to submit for your approval (but that wouldn't be for a while, the relevant ones are higher-level).
Even with the alterations made above, the class should not turn out to be broken - some have even accused it of being inferior to normal spellcasters (though that was mainly aimed at the original version in the 3.5 Tome of Magic, which even the original author later admitted needed fixing).
Anything else you need to know in order to be persuaded?
Ok, sounds good, perception it is then. Slightly worried that you are being that generous with hp :)
What level is engineering at in your campaign? Im asking because I got an idea for a decorated dwarven soldier and tactician, who was gravely crippled in battle many years ago. Unable to truly function as a soldier anymore, he is now an envoy and diplomat for his king.
The engineering question is because I fancy him having a prostetic leg, nothing too overly fancy or steampunky, but one that has some gears and springs (meaning basically its only for roleplay and wont affect stats like Speed). He might even be missing fingers and an eye on the same side of his body, his injuries being explosion related.
Would it be ok to begin play as Middle aged? I imagine him being a rather old fellow even by dwarven standards.
Currently thinking a Warrior / Magus with the Skirnir archetype. He was a member of an honor guard of sheild weilding arcanists, maybe for the king himself?
Just spitballing ideas atm.
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One does have to wonder why someone so decorated, particularly among Dwarves who are generally a dab hand at that whole divine magic thing, isn't offered the benefits of the regenerate spell.
Of course, you are character level 2-3. On the one hand, you sound like you're talking about a more accomplished character, but on the other, a less significant soldier not getting high-level healing makes more sense.
One does have to wonder why someone so decorated, particularly among Dwarves who are generally a dab hand at that whole divine magic thing, isn't offered the benefits of the regenerate spell.
Decorated doesnt have to mean he weighed down by tons of medals. I think most people would think a soldier with a single purple heart to his name is a decorated soldier.
As for Regenerate, I view that spell the same way I view the Fly spell. They are both "Why didnt he just do this" spells, and quite frankly take away from roleplaying. Fly especially just removes enviromental roleplaying entirely. That climb through the mountains in Lord of the Rings? pff why bother, I got Fly dawg.
Muted Hues (Ex): Within the Plane of Shadow, many sensations and energies are dampened, including temperature, and this eventually extends to the form of the Shadowcaster. Beginning at 6th level, shadowcasters gain cold and fire resistance 5. These resistances increase by 5 at both 10th and 14th level. At 18th level, these resistances are doubled (to 30 each), and become cumulative with other sources of fire and cold resistance.
This just seems too much of an upgrade imo. Admittedly both resistances are half the flat cold resist, but the amount of resistance is still strong for the levels they unlock at...and 30 resist might as well be immunity in all but a really tiny amount of instances.
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It wasn't my intent to make it an upgrade - I just felt like cold resistance by itself as a class feature felt...wrong, and this reflects the true nature of the Plane of Shadow as I understand it better. Bear in mind, it only becomes resistance 30 at level 18, and given that I've seen 48-damage-on-a-failed-save fireballs in level 7-9-ish adventures, I can only imagine what 18th level could potentially throw.
You could just make the total resistances 20 at 18th level, though.
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I have always maintained that on the world of Hamth, dwarves and elves do not live extraordinarily long lives. The average life span of a dwarf (dwarves are from Holdandun, which is on the other side of the world from this adventure, but their presence is understandable as they are part of the United Kingdoms of Anthandra) is 115 years, and rarely reaches 130 or more, but this is long enough to generate the myth that they live much longer.
What about Elves? I had been meaning to take the Breadth of Experience feat.
With Terquem imput about dwarves, im most likely gonna go with a Beauvingian. They seem to better fit a dwarf-esque style of racial attitude, which is why I choose Dwarf ub the first place.
So a dwarf assassin (aka ninja) sent to remove an opponent of the expansion of dwarven business and technological interests in the region could work?
Ok, so I have two ideas currently made with 22 point buy. Gonna roll my stats here so I can start re-working them for final submission.
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Yeah pretty happy with that
Also, Terquem are you looking for a balanced party here or just a bunch of random survivors? (Essentially if I post a character which is similar to another will that harm my chances of selection?)
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Yes also true for elves, but a bit older, to 125 years, and sometimes to 140 (you can take the feat, if it is your intention to Play a Drasbian, and I will put up another overly long post about them soon).
If I took the feat, would I still have to be at least 100 years old? With those age rules, 100-something years old would go from 'young adult for an elf' to 'old', and I had intended to be a young adult. I have no trouble taking something else if I need to - or I suppose the concept behind the feat could simply be changed for this setting to 'polymath prodigy,' a little like Buckaroo Banzai, maybe even change the requirement from a certain age to a minimum Int of 17+ or something.
I present Telthes, a dwarf spy/ assassin sent to remove opponents of dwarven business and technological interests in the area. He was posing as a balad singer on the boat.
This asignment should not be to difficult, Telthes thought to himself, how hard is it to push a drunk noble off a boat so he drowns in the sea. At least it is better than that last mission with the sheep and goats.
Telthes starts walking toward the centre of the vessel, now if only I could remember that third verse of the tale of Anostacles the Great and Vandas Strongarm.
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If you decide on this, go ahead and take the feat and can we say your elf is 50 some years old?
Is that considered 'young' for a Drasbian? I have a clear enough image of my character that I'm actually willing to put being the right age ahead of that particular feat if it needs to be that way. What's the Drasbian equivalent of a Human's '18-25'? As an aristocrat and a prodigy, he'd have had a busy childhood.
Also, permit me to reiterate my question from above regarding traits: Any of your own to offer? Modified versions of Pathfinder Society faction traits allowed? What else is there?
Spinning the wheel of stats....
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I'll give that some thought and get a character put together.
The art of assassination as known by the black garment wearing shadow walking dwarves of the province of Ukaronoki, is called Aschinzi. To be trained in Aschinzi (what some call ninja) is a great honor.I present Telthes, a dwarf spy/ assassin sent to remove opponents of dwarven business and technological interests in the area. He was posing as a balad singer on the boat.
This asignment should not be to difficult, Telthes thought to himself, how hard is it to push a drunk noble off a boat so he drowns in the sea. At least it is better than that last mission with the sheep and goats.
Telthes starts walking toward the centre of the vessel, now if only I could remember that third verse of the tale of Anostacles the Great and Vandas Strongarm.
Telthes lives to honour his ancestors and to enact the honoured will of the Aschinzi elders.
Nerve gas is to random, hard to sell stuff to dead bodies. Easier to kill the linchpin in the opposition then watch it crumble. Nerve gas is chaotic evil. I assume that Holdandun is a very lawful good/ neutral state and their CIAish organisation is probably lawful neutral. Government sanctioned black ops is done by basically every government on earth.
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Nerve gas is certainly Chaotic Evil when The Joker uses it - on the other hand, none of the belligerents in World War I were Chaotic (or even particularly Evil). Some black ops are 'blacker' than others, and as far as Earth's concerned, I really do not believe all governments are equally depraved.
At any rate, if you weren't going for Evil, I retract my comment. It was mainly a joke. :)
no worries, it is true that some governments are less civilized, some are also better at black ops than others.
I'm still a little bit hesitant with the rolled stats, but I'll give it a shot. The concept is intriguing.
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Actually usable dice rolls for the class and concept that I had in mind, and close to what I would have had, if you had went with 20 pb. That's new.
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Uh, DM? You might want to know that the Aristocrat NPC class grants both Perception and Sense Motive as class skills. So does that mean that anyone with a level of Aristocrat gets both Perception and Intuition as class skills?
I asked about that already and he said you only get one as a class skill, probably perception for an aristrocrat. Ninja and possibly expert are in the same boat.
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Thing is, it makes more sense for an Aristocrat to get Intuition, of the two - but it makes every sense for the Shadowcaster to have Perception of the two. And given how class skills in Pathfinder work, that would mean I'd wind up with both as class skills (of course, that doesn't mean anything more severe than a +3 bonus when trained).
Wow, this world gets more complicated with every answer.
Is there a naming convention from laguages? I get the franco-ispano-italian vibe, but is it more specialized than that? For a noble Basconde, should I go more for simil-French or simil-Spanish?
Is there any benefit to only having two heroic classes rather than two and one npc?