Outsider Characters and Proficancy

[Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus]

Hello Everyone,
I was wondering if there was ever an offical ruling on if player character Tieflings, and the like, got the martial weapon proficiencies or not.

Thank you
-Hexen

[Seranov]

They do not.

Only Outsiders who have Racial Hit Dice receive the Martial Weapon Proficiency. Player Character Tieflings, Aasimar, Sylphs, etc, do not have any Racial Hit Dice.

[Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus]

Seranov wrote:

They do not.

Only Outsiders who have Racial Hit Dice receive the Martial Weapon Proficiency. Player Character Tieflings, Aasimar, Sylphs, etc, do not have any Racial Hit Dice.

Where is this from please? Seems a little odd.

[kyrt-ryder]

I've seen it said on the forums as well (including someone from Paizo I think, although I don't recall whom.)

I too would like a link or direct quote of an actual rule (or FAQ entry) stating such.

[IQuarent]

Just look at the advanced race guide. Under their racial abilities, nowhere does it mention martial weapon proficiencies, but I will pull out my copy and check for you.

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Some races do have specific and limited weapon proficiencies, such as follows:

Drow- hand crossbow, rapier, shortsword
(full blooded)Orc- Greataxe, falchion, or any weapon with 'orc' in its' name
Tengu- All swordlike weapons

tieflings do not
all the elemental races (undines sylphs etc) do not
aasimars do not, but they have their own expansive sourcebook, so maybe with enough tweeking

Basically if you want to know about the abilities of races, check the Advanced Race Guide.

[blackbloodtroll]

As I recall, there were a couple of Developer comments noting that racial HD is required to gain the proficiencies of a type.

[Ashram]

Native Outsiders and Proficiencies

Bam, developer response. No martial weapon proficiencies for native outsiders.

[benzene]

Straight from the horse's mouth:

James Jacobs wrote:

Creatures with zero Hit Dice... like tieflings... NEVER gain their racial skills or weapon proficiencies. Their class skills and weapon proficiencies are ALWAYS determined by their class unless it specifically says otherwise in their specific racial traits (such as how tengus gain access to all swords). The generic creature type class skills and proficiencies with weapon and armor never apply if the creature has no racial Hit Dice.

Hit Dice has EVERYTHING to do with class skills, in other words.

Humans have d8 Racial Hit Dice, but they don't gain the humanoid skills automatically as class skills. Tieflings thus don't gain the outsider class skills automatically either.

As soon as a monster gains a racial Hit Die... he gains his type's class skills and weapon/armor proficiencies and all that. Regardless of what class he ends up being. Which is why allowing PCs of monsters with racial Hit Dice (like gnolls or lizardfolk) is tricky, and recommended only for advanced GMs and players.

Oh, well, no scimitar for my aasimar...