I can only hope. Never actually met someone who believed the birther nonsense, and I've lived in Utah and Idaho. Also, to all of you out there that believe in the ignorant/stupid/xenophobic americans of television, that isn't most of us, that isn't a strong minority, it's a fringe. Like Sweden's Sverigedemokraterna.
Personally, I think we should annex Canada, possibly Australia, with New Zealand of course, and mexico, though only if we're feeling really ambitious. We can start by getting Puerto Rico statehood.
No seriously, hear me out. Canada gets to fix our health care and budget problems, thus helping us and vindicating you. We can finally eliminate those last pesky trade restrictions. Good for everyone. We'll convert to the metric, though follow the Albertan's, maybe the rest of you do this too, example by keeping english for cooking and personal height. No more of that passport/visa nonsense on the border, sorry about that it wasn't my decision. Military coordination gets easier. Our shared cultural divides will help us quickly close the gap as the inter-mountain states and provinces find common ground in their loathing of California. Not quite sure what to do about Quebec, but then, does anyone really know what to do with you?
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More than best mates, Canada is that favourite cousin that you can go drinking with and you know if things kick off you have each others backs and if our Kiwi cousins are with us we 3 make Chuck Norris piss his pants.So we are left with the US as Europe has no interests other than Europe... With the US we have a shared cultural beginning, shared language and similar outlooks on life...And here I thought Australia and Canada were best buddies...
(Pouts and goes and sits in the corner...)
Chuck Norris is Canadian (like Captain Kirk)...we were just keeping it a secret while they infiltrate.
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I can only hope. Never actually met someone who believed the birther nonsense, and I've lived in Utah and Idaho. Also, to all of you out there that believe in the ignorant/stupid/xenophobic americans of television, that isn't most of us, that isn't a strong minority, it's a fringe. Like Sweden's Sverigedemokraterna.
Personally, I think we should annex Canada, possibly Australia, with New Zealand of course, and mexico, though only if we're feeling really ambitious. We can start by getting Puerto Rico statehood.
No seriously, hear me out. Canada gets to fix our health care and budget problems, thus helping us and vindicating you. We can finally eliminate those last pesky trade restrictions. Good for everyone. We'll convert to the metric, though follow the Albertan's, maybe the rest of you do this too, example by keeping english for cooking and personal height. No more of that passport/visa nonsense on the border, sorry about that it wasn't my decision. Military coordination gets easier. Our shared cultural divides will help us quickly close the gap as the inter-mountain states and provinces find common ground in their loathing of California. Not quite sure what to do about Quebec, but then, does anyone really know what to do with you?
Over our Maple Syrup!
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Maybe Blue Pigeon is being funny?
I mean really most Americans actualy don't buy the birther crap...even the republican dropped...indeeed never really ran with it. Sure some ahem silly fringe elements do...
I am not a fan of the current president...but he is a American.
The national Republicans dropped it because it was hurting them among independents they need in general elections. They still dog-whistled it occasionally during the election. With good reason. The Republican base eats it up.
According to one survey last September, 39% of Republicans didn't think Barack Obama was born in the US. Another 34% weren't sure.
40% of the general population was either unsure or thought he wasn't.
Not quite a silly fringe. Silly, certainly, but far too large of a fringe.
Well...you found it on the internet so it must be true. Yeah the Democratic would not have any motive to paint the republicans in a negative light...not the Demoncrats they are as pure as the driven snow. Hey you want to buy this bridge?
Also this is a political discussion on the internet...why so serious?
Actualy I am kinda curious...to be president by law you have to be a natural born citizen and a certain age....so one would think that to be able to run for president on must prove your credentials. If so what agencey checks this? And why would these public proofs not be open to public scrunity?
Again I don't think he is not a American...but I always figured holding on to the birth documents was a cheap political stunt so the morons in the republican party can provide ample footage of the birthers well being idiots.
Also gor a guy who said he will bring transparencey back to the goverment...his adminstration keeps lots of thing pretty close to the chest.
And listen I am not saying the Republicans are any better...they are all politians...they are all scum.
Yes, I found it on the Internet, but it is a serious polling organization with a good record. UK based and not explicitly partisan, so I don't see where the "Democratic would not have any motive to paint the republicans in a negative light" comes from.
Because the crazy fringe of the Republican party is scary? And growing? And shouldn't be ignored or written off as more marginal than it is? It's also doing a lot of damage to the Republicans by dominating their primaries.
I do kind of agree that there should be a formal process for checking qualifications and that if there is one, it should be more apparent.
That said, I think a large part of the reason it was handled the way it was was just that they thought it was just a few crazies that would soon blow over. And then it didn't and just kept bubbling up. And it's not like any of the releases of documentation had any real effect.
You don't think left leaning people in other countries would not want to see other countries lean to the left? Yeah I am a bit jaded by how all media twists and maniplulates data. So I take everything with a grain of salt.
As for the crazy fringe in the republican party...I actualy think it is shrinking...it kinda has to after the last election. Did you know something like 70 Republican leaders are backing the case for gay marriage to the supreme court? Also I am curious you don't think there is a crazy fringe in the democratic party? and it is growing. Both parties are being taken over by the fanatics...that is why polics are so polarizing in this country.
Things do seem to be settling down though. Hopefuly the ourbreak of fanticism on either side is dieing...or atleast going dormant.
Personaly I think if say you and I sit down (assuming you lean to the left...I kinda lean to the right) we could solve most the 'problems' in a day or two. The problem is politians don't really care...they are just in it for the power...all of them. They will lie, manipulate, and enflame people's fears and hate to get it.
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Yellowdingo is my hero.[Relaxes]
Of course you can.
I mean seriously...this is a thread started by yellowdingo...does anybody take him serious.
Linkiefied for your Internet convenience.
As for me, I'm afraid of Americans. And I play one on TV!
Actually it was Hillary's allies that started the whole birther issue. Kind of funny how people forget and try to make it a republican thing only. LOL
I don't think I understand the benefit of such a thing.
Why do you guys keep pretending yellowdingo is people?
Well, he's certainly not one of us!
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I shudder to think of Soylent Green made from Yellowdingo.
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Soylent Green made from Yellowdingo? Wouldnt it end up being some shade of Soylent Chartreuse, then?
Has anyone other than Yellowdingo ever signed one of his petitions?
Perhaps the entire Paizo message board should be allowed to vote on whether or not Yellowdingo posts a petition?
Over our Maple Syrup!
Yes, over your delicious, joyously spilled maple syrup! Come on, we're brothers. We should totally move in together. I wonder what dad would think?
@Thejeff. Having taken part in polling, and taken a class on polling, I now have approximately the same faith in polls as I do in statements that say, 'Scientists found/discovered/proved...' We snicker about things like that all the time in lab. It's not that it makes it untrue, but it doesn't make it true either.
The only thing of which I am certain, or at least reasonably close to certain, is that I am a republican surrounded by republicans, and I can't recall a single person that believed it. Maybe I'm just around weird republicans.
Wouldn't Soylent green being made out of dingos be less disturbing than people? Dog tastes pretty good actually.
Thanks for the benefit of the doubt. It's always nice to hear. I'm left wondering where these crazy republicans are. Actually, crazy people of any sort really. I mean, you hear/read about a lot of people with crazy ideas, but the only ones I meet like that are the legitimately insane, with diagnosed mental issues, and there are only a couple of those in any given place.
Closest thing to an area where a belief that seemed weird to me was held in common was London during the games. Lot of people seemed to be freaked out by the idea of concealed carry. Guns in general actually. Though that maybe a oddity on my part. Growing up around it can make just about anything normal. Honestly, cars worry me more than guns. I once made the mistake of thinking long and hard about driving on the highway. Gah, now there's something to make you paranoid. 120+mph of heavy metal death all around you, and I've seen what you yahoos are like when you get in your cars. I didn't know phone conversations while smoking and drinking were possible, but it can evidently be done. *Shudder*
To any Londoners out there. Love your underground, except for the price, but prefer biking. Cycling on London streets is like a video game! Looked to be faster than driving sometimes too.
I do kind of agree that there should be a formal process for checking qualifications and that if there is one, it should be more apparent.
So if there is no process...which again I not saying there is not...it just I have never heard of one. Is it crazy to question it? I mean sure there are Birthers who did take it too far(ahem Donald Trump). But are we going to go there where we as a people who do question the goverment are going to be called crazy and fringe? I mean is that not kinda of dangerous?
Sure Republivans do it it too...and I call BS on that also...but that does not make it right for the Democrat to do it either.
Again I am not a Birther...but I don't think all Birther were as crazy as the media painted them. See my response for more on why to your second statement.
That said, I think a large part of the reason it was handled the way it was was just that they thought it was just a few crazies that would soon blow over. And then it didn't and just kept bubbling up. And it's not like any of the releases of documentation had any real effect.
Well if that is the case..it went from a cheap(but clever I will admit) political move to one of the dumbest moves in history. I mean would you not be at all suspicous of someone especialy a public figure who would not just show these documention and prove them wrong. I mean how many cover ups have we seen? I can't blame some people on getting suspicous.
And yet, despite all that, and despite all the talk about biased polls in the last election cycle, the polling averages were right on the money. As were the election polls by this outfit. Maybe those were good and this one was bad, but I wouldn't bet on it.And I'll do you the favor of assuming you don't hang out with the crazy Republicans, because you're not crazy yourself.
Ah you forgot the election polls from a few elections ago when they were completely off...after that the did treat those election polls more honestly and are more careful with them.
If they did not no body would trust any of their polls.
Thanks for the benefit of the doubt. It's always nice to hear. I'm left wondering where these crazy republicans are. Actually, crazy people of any sort really. I mean, you hear/read about a lot of people with crazy ideas, but the only ones I meet like that are the legitimately insane, with diagnosed mental issues, and there are only a couple of those in any given place.
I think this kinda cause if you agree with something you turn a blind eye to the crazyness of the rest. This why neither side can see it's own crazy and fringe elements.
When the rest of the world starts contributing to our economy, instead of us contributing to theirs, we can talk. Until then, stop punching the gift horse in the mouth. I believe we can intervene less in other countries, I believe we can do a better job standing with true allies like Australia and Israel, and spend less time prostrating ourselves before bad guys in the vain hope they'll be less dangerous. I believe no one is perfect, and we have things to improve like every nation. But I also believe it's self-righteous and revisionist to make antagonistic claims about our country without recognizing the good we do in the world. If you want nations to have access to expensive things like the United Nations, Red Cross, the Southern Baptist Cooperative Programs, Catholic Charities, or American disaster relief, stop pretending America is somehow gouging the world for fun and profit. Lord forbid the next genocidal maniac should come just after some faux academic ideologues convince America to just keep their money and soldiers at home.
Just saw the birther comment and follow-up, and I just want to add a few thoughts.
The Republicans did not eat up the birther thing. It was started by Clinton's campaign, and a tiny minority of people who are desperate to get rid of the president will cling to any silly notion they think will work.
Uncertainty about who does or doesn't believe in the birther thing is squarely Barack Obama's doing. Because it's a stupid, fringe issue that initially had zero traction, it's been cinstantly manipulated. Look at the backwoods racists, says the media, who don't believe the black man is from America. It is no exaggeration that the first ten times I heard about this issue, nine were the mainstream media serving softballs to concerned "journalists" and one was Glenn Beck making fun of birthers and begging the media to let go of the lame issue. The ONLY time (and I work every day with red-voting, redneck senior citizens who lived through segregation) I have ever heard a person stand up for the argument, it was a town hall meeting where Sen. Tom Coburn utterly shut that noise down. If most of the crowd had tomatoes, we'd have pitched them at the poor guy. No one cares about the birther thing. As with any fringe bs issue, you can always find a few people either posing as fringe to perpetuate the nonsense, or as an actual believer who is too fixated to focus on other facts and issues. I'm not trying to insult the poster who brought it up, but I would say - it's never been true; let it go. Focus yourself on arguments that matter and are supported by facts, for your own improvement and for the sake of a nation that needs to get past 'gotcha' partisanship and find some level of objectivity.
Not that you're gonna find that in a thread about giving the rest of the world a vote in American elections. :b
Thanks for the benefit of the doubt. It's always nice to hear. I'm left wondering where these crazy republicans are. Actually, crazy people of any sort really. I mean, you hear/read about a lot of people with crazy ideas, but the only ones I meet like that are the legitimately insane, with diagnosed mental issues, and there are only a couple of those in any given place.I think this kinda cause if you agree with something you turn a blind eye to the crazyness of the rest. This why neither side can see it's own crazy and fringe elements.
Does this mean I'm on everybody's side? ^_^
Just saw the birther comment and follow-up, and I just want to add a few thoughts.
The Republicans did not eat up the birther thing. It was started by Clinton's campaign, and a tiny minority of people who are desperate to get rid of the president will cling to any silly notion they think will work.
Uncertainty about who does or doesn't believe in the birther thing is squarely Barack Obama's doing. Because it's a stupid, fringe issue that initially had zero traction, it's been cinstantly manipulated. Look at the backwoods racists, says the media, who don't believe the black man is from America. It is no exaggeration that the first ten times I heard about this issue, nine were the mainstream media serving softballs to concerned "journalists" and one was Glenn Beck making fun of birthers and begging the media to let go of the lame issue. The ONLY time (and I work every day with red-voting, redneck senior citizens who lived through segregation) I have ever heard a person stand up for the argument, it was a town hall meeting where Sen. Tom Coburn utterly shut that noise down. If most of the crowd had tomatoes, we'd have pitched them at the poor guy. No one cares about the birther thing. As with any fringe bs issue, you can always find a few people either posing as fringe to perpetuate the nonsense, or as an actual believer who is too fixated to focus on other facts and issues. I'm not trying to insult the poster who brought it up, but I would say - it's never been true; let it go. Focus yourself on arguments that matter and are supported by facts, for your own improvement and for the sake of a nation that needs to get past 'gotcha' partisanship and find some level of objectivity.
But what BluePigeon stated was that BO actually is not a citizen, not just not a natural born citizen... One would have thought he has spent enough time in the country to become a naturalized one whatever his birth status,right? And not that it matters, but for what it's worth, wasn't the issue settled already?
Thanks for the benefit of the doubt. It's always nice to hear. I'm left wondering where these crazy republicans are. Actually, crazy people of any sort really. I mean, you hear/read about a lot of people with crazy ideas, but the only ones I meet like that are the legitimately insane, with diagnosed mental issues, and there are only a couple of those in any given place.I think this kinda cause if you agree with something you turn a blind eye to the crazyness of the rest. This why neither side can see it's own crazy and fringe elements.Does this mean I'm on everybody's side? ^_^
Could be.
But what BluePigeon stated was that BO actually is not a citizen, not just not a natural born citizen... One would have thought he has spent enough time in the country to become a naturalized one whatever his birth status,right? And not that it matters, but for what it's worth, wasn't the issue settled already?
Actualy it is pretty much indispruteable BO is American citizen as his mother is a citizen. As to if the issues is ever settled? Meh...politics have become like the edition wars...nothing ever gets settled for some.
Most people have moved on...but since the media is rating driven...and the nut jobs bring in the rating...they get coverage.
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When the rest of the world starts contributing to our economy, instead of us contributing to theirs, we can talk. Until then, stop punching the gift horse in the mouth. I believe we can intervene less in other countries, I believe we can do a better job standing with true allies like Australia and Israel, and spend less time prostrating ourselves before bad guys in the vain hope they'll be less dangerous. I believe no one is perfect, and we have things to improve like every nation. But I also believe it's self-righteous and revisionist to make antagonistic claims about our country without recognizing the good we do in the world. If you want nations to have access to expensive things like the United Nations, Red Cross, the Southern Baptist Cooperative Programs, Catholic Charities, or American disaster relief, stop pretending America is somehow gouging the world for fun and profit. Lord forbid the next genocidal maniac should come just after some faux academic ideologues convince America to just keep their money and soldiers at home.
I mostly agree but our "true allies" isreal has stabbed us in the back enough to stand with them less
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Over our Maple Syrup!Yes, over your delicious, joyously spilled maple syrup! Come on, we're brothers. We should totally move in together. I wonder what dad would think?
@Thejeff. Having taken part in polling, and taken a class on polling, I now have approximately the same faith in polls as I do in statements that say, 'Scientists found/discovered/proved...' We snicker about things like that all the time in lab. It's not that it makes it untrue, but it doesn't make it true either.
The only thing of which I am certain, or at least reasonably close to certain, is that I am a republican surrounded by republicans, and I can't recall a single person that believed it. Maybe I'm just around weird republicans.
Wouldn't Soylent green being made out of dingos be less disturbing than people? Dog tastes pretty good actually.
Forget the UK. They sold out and half-joined the EU. Can't decide whether they want to stay.
But what BluePigeon stated was that BO actually is not a citizen, not just not a natural born citizen... One would have thought he has spent enough time in the country to become a naturalized one whatever his birth status,right? And not that it matters, but for what it's worth, wasn't the issue settled already?You don't automatically become a citizen, no matter how long you spend in the country. You need to apply. There's a whole process with paperwork and all. Which Barack Obama never went through, because he was born a citizen.
Ah ok, didn't know that.
For example, the left equivalent of the Free Market fundamentalists would be Communists, and despite some name calling from the right, they've got no influence on the Democratic party.
Not only that, we want to destroy it.
Break with the Democrats!
Vive le Galt!
Thanks for the benefit of the doubt. It's always nice to hear. I'm left wondering where these crazy republicans are. Actually, crazy people of any sort really. I mean, you hear/read about a lot of people with crazy ideas, but the only ones I meet like that are the legitimately insane, with diagnosed mental issues, and there are only a couple of those in any given place.I think this kinda cause if you agree with something you turn a blind eye to the crazyness of the rest. This why neither side can see it's own crazy and fringe elements.Assuming that I'm blind to it, what do you think are the crazy and fringe elements on the left?
Not just the equivalents of the birthers, but of the science deniers and the "drown government in a bathtub" types?For example, the left equivalent of the Free Market fundamentalists would be Communists, and despite some name calling from the right, they've got no influence on the Democratic party.
Hmm, good question. None are coming to mind at the moment. Perhaps that means there are more crazies on the right, possible, or maybe it's that liberal media conspiracy. ^_^
I'd say the equivalent of the science deniers, though there are these on the right as well as left, and deniers on the left too for that matter, would the more zealous disciples of the Richard Dawkins of the world that think organized religion is the cause of war, poverty, bigotry, oppression, and all other human ills. Apparently a biology teacher at the local high school, who I quite liked actually and never had any problems with personally, went into an almost screaming rage upon learning that my sister's friend was the fifth of nine children who had been home-schooled and accused her and her family of destroying the planet, hindering the progress of civilization, and oppressing minorities. A bit harsh to lay on a 13 year-old.
As for the Anarcho-capitalism equivalent, that's only kind of on the right. I'd say the equivalent of that, though I'm more inclined to just go with stupid, would be the members of congress that passed the bill requiring the FDA to increase the number of inspections without increasing funding. Grr. Why people not think of consequences when making decisions. Land war in Asia? Short victorious war! More work, but cut budget? You be more efficient yes? Allow sub-prime mortgages? How go wrong?
Have to think more on that one that though.
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@Comrade Liberté! égalité! fraternité! guillotine!
@Raven If only we, or he, were the master of the world. Maybe then someone would actually do something about North Korea. I mean really.
@Sissyl Interestingly, and to me horrifying, service in the US military does not make one a citizen. There is quite a colony just across the border in Baja of veterans who are working on visa and/or citizenship. Madness!
So you divest ownership of Hawaii and all its citizens?To Yellow Dingo:
You vote when you're a naturalized citizen or a natural-born citizen when you turn 18. If you can not read english. Too bad.
P.S. We already have a non-citizen as a president and he's created such a colossal mess...
I've never owned Hawaii. And being the youngest of the 50 it won't really matter.
But what BluePigeon stated was that BO actually is not a citizen, not just not a natural born citizen... One would have thought he has spent enough time in the country to become a naturalized one whatever his birth status,right? And not that it matters, but for what it's worth, wasn't the issue settled already?
Thank you Sissyl. You hit the nail on the proverbial head.
Ah ok, didn't know that.But what BluePigeon stated was that BO actually is not a citizen, not just not a natural born citizen... One would have thought he has spent enough time in the country to become a naturalized one whatever his birth status,right? And not that it matters, but for what it's worth, wasn't the issue settled already?You don't automatically become a citizen, no matter how long you spend in the country. You need to apply. There's a whole process with paperwork and all. Which Barack Obama never went through, because he was born a citizen.
I need to step in and correct theJeff.
If you are born on U.S. Soil, it's territories, or its embassies and turn 18 on U.S. Soil after 1959, you sign and fingerprint your Selective Service card and papers. I did this after high school and it was necessary for enlistment in the United States armed services or any institution (college) that offers a higher education. These papers are a necessity as you declare your citizenship with them. These are the first government papers you earn when you become a U.S. citizen besides your birth certificate (which Obama seems to have trouble obtaining), your driver's license (Age 16), Social Security Card (Age 9 or 10), Voter Registration Card (Age 18), and your school enrollment papers, records, and diploma. Since Obama was supposedly born in 1961, he should have his declaration and fingerprints on file since the federal program was mandated in 1960. I know this as my oldest sister, my older brother and older sister graduated in years 79, 82, and 83 respectively. They did the same thing.
I know most of this as I worked the bureaucracies in my home state as a runner for several legal firms, one that included Immigration and Naturalization
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Ah ok, didn't know that.But what BluePigeon stated was that BO actually is not a citizen, not just not a natural born citizen... One would have thought he has spent enough time in the country to become a naturalized one whatever his birth status,right? And not that it matters, but for what it's worth, wasn't the issue settled already?You don't automatically become a citizen, no matter how long you spend in the country. You need to apply. There's a whole process with paperwork and all. Which Barack Obama never went through, because he was born a citizen.
I need to step in and correct theJeff.
If you are born on U.S. Soil, it's territories, or its embassies and turn 18 on U.S. Soil after 1959, you sign and fingerprint your Selective Service card and papers. I did this after high school and it was necessary for enlistment in the United States armed services or any institution (college) that offers a higher education. These papers are a necessity as you declare your citizenship with them. These are the first government papers you earn when you become a U.S. citizen besides your birth certificate (which Obama seems to have trouble obtaining), your driver's license (Age 16), Social Security Card (Age 9 or 10), Voter Registration Card (Age 18), and your school enrollment papers, records, and diploma. Since Obama was supposedly born in 1961, he should have his declaration and fingerprints on file since the federal program was mandated in 1960. I know this as my oldest sister, my older brother and older sister graduated in years 79, 82, and 83 respectively. They did the same thing.
I know most of this as I worked the bureaucracies in my home state as a runner for several legal firms, one that included Immigration and Naturalization
You sisters never did such a thing as women do not register for the Selective Service. Also I don't think Obama had any trouble getting his birth certificate, he just didn't want to show it as it allowed enough of the conservative base to continue making fools of themselves thus helping him get re-elected.
While anarcho-capitalism may not be on the right, it's very definitely deeply tied to Republican rhetoric, if not actual practice.
More to the point, I don't know if Anarcho-Capitalism is synonomous with Free Market Fundamentalist. I mean, you can totally say that Rothbard was a FMF, but can you say a Friedman or a Sachs is an Anarcho-Capitalist? I don't think so.
You know they have trotted out the birth certificate on multiple occasions...people just choose to forget it or dismiss it as a fake.
That has nothing to do with citizenship. You're a natural born citizen if you're born in the US or born to US...
Also, if you don't sign with Selective Service, you are not stripped of citizenship.
@Comrade Liberté! égalité! fraternité! guillotine!
That has nothing to do with citizenship. You're a natural born citizen if you're born in the US or born to US citizen parents. You are a citizen at birth. You do not have to wait until you're 18 and sign your Selective Service card, assuming you're required to do so. As Martin said, women do not register, but remain citizens.
The birth certificate proves citizenship because it proves where you were born and to whom. Selective Service has nothing whatsoever to do with this. In fact, resident aliens (green card holders) also have to register for Selective Service, assuming they are male and of the proper age. This does not make them citizens.
@TheJeff: No. A birth certificate is NOT A FEDERAL identification card nor does it grant you AUTOMATIC citizenship as many people assume it does. It is a state or county identification card for your birth parents. Many birth certificates have the infant's footprints as a method of identification to show ownership and the raised seal to prove where you born. Legally you are your parent's property and responsibility until your 18 years of age often before or after graduation. That is when you become a citizen of the united states. That is when you able to enter military service and are able to vote in federal and state elections. There is no known record that shows your home soil, save a church document.
As I said, if you receive a selective service card and are male, you required by law to sign it and return to the federal government. This determines citizenship, military enlistment, and passport availability as men more than women travel aboard.
If Obama was indeed born in Kenya and does have a birth certificate printed and stamped in Kenya, then he is a non-citizen and the next republican president can easily sign an executive order overturning all laws he signed into effect since Jan 2009, expect for pardons.
There is another way to obtain proof of citizenship via Consular Report of Birth Abroad (FS-240)
Seriously, people need to stop watching the evening news and its cable affiliates. Sit down and read the civics books and use the law library. you would be be surprised how short an opinion comes too.
Last thing I say on this.