The only characters outside artwork I've ever seen wearing them have been wizards.
I'd take it to protect my char's ghoulies!
I actually like it, and don't find it to be power creep, since it is a way of getting more out of medium armour, at the cost of making them heavy, without having to invest in other heavy armours (which can be very expensive early on). It does not work with heavy armour (they have armoured kilts and the like already a part of them) so I am not sure it is a great power creep option, like stacking heavy armour, with shields, with magical protections, with misc ac boosting items and feats.
It is best used with light armour to give that boost and put it to medium, and quite a few classes have medium armour proficiency.
Since cleric's don't get heavy armour anymore in this edition, I'd use it a fair bit as a cleric to turn good light armour into medium. Mmmm, +2 chain shirt + a nice lamellar armoured kilt.
I like the kilt but not the dastana.
Point 1: It raises light and medium armors by one weight category. Contrast this with the Destana from the Arms and Equipment Guide which could be added to Light Armor for a simple +1 increase to AC without changing the weight category.
Point 2: It exists for that rare brave soul (usually a barbarian) who wishes to forsake all clothing save the armored kilt (and possibly underwear) to charge into battle wearing nothing but a manly kilt.
A half orc barb rocking studded leather and an armoured kilt is keeping the cost down and the ac up. Bonus lols if they carry a buckler.
If you put it on the best light armor then...many medium armors are still better.
If you put it on the best medium armor then...most heavy armors are still better.
If you put it on heavy armor then...nothing happens.
I ask the inverse question: Why would anyone ever add this to their armor rather than just get the better armor to begin with?
Cost, to ensure jewels are extra protected.
Yep, that would be a tricky high cost way to use the kilt.
Kilt up!
Monks can't benefit from silken ceremonial robes either.
Silk has been great against ranged weapons in history.
Poor monks.
If you put it on the best light armor then...many medium armors are still better.
If you put it on the best medium armor then...most heavy armors are still better.
If you put it on heavy armor then...nothing happens.
I ask the inverse question: Why would anyone ever add this to their armor rather than just get the better armor to begin with?
Wouldn't it help for getting cheaper magical armor properties?
For instance:
+1 ghost touch armored kilt costs 16,000gp
+1 chainmail w/ moderate fortification costs 16,000gp
Total cost is 32,000gp (neglecting the cost of the masterwork items); whereas:
+1 ghost touch field plate w/ moderate fortification offers the same +1 enhancement bonus to AC but costs 49,000gp (again, neglecting the cost of the masterwork items).
Each setup nets the same magical AC bonus and the same magic properties, but the two-piece setup saves about 17,000gp.
Am I doing this right?
If you put it on the best light armor then...many medium armors are still better.
If you put it on the best medium armor then...most heavy armors are still better.
If you put it on heavy armor then...nothing happens.
I ask the inverse question: Why would anyone ever add this to their armor rather than just get the better armor to begin with?
Why would you add it at all? It could be useful for PCs who only get a higher armor proficiency later on and already invested in a cool and expencive armor. Like a magus already having a mithral breastplate +3 when he gets to cast in medium armor without ASF.
As to the benefits off adding it: Can you add it to a celestial plate mail? RAW I'd guess it should. While from the fluff it sounds silly to do so.
That's how it worked in 3.5, but the Pathfinder Guys have squashed that practice. Now only the item with the highest enhancement bonus works.
(Although I do have to wonder what happens if both are exactly the same...)
Huh. That's good. Do you recall where that is stated in the rules?
If you put it on the best light armor then...many medium armors are still better.
If you put it on the best medium armor then...most heavy armors are still better.
If you put it on heavy armor then...nothing happens.
I ask the inverse question: Why would anyone ever add this to their armor rather than just get the better armor to begin with?
Wouldn't it help for getting cheaper magical armor properties?
For instance:
+1 ghost touch armored kilt costs 16,000gp
+1 chainmail w/ moderate fortification costs 16,000gpTotal cost is 32,000gp (neglecting the cost of the masterwork items); whereas:
+1 ghost touch field plate w/ moderate fortification offers the same +1 enhancement bonus to AC but costs 49,000gp (again, neglecting the cost of the masterwork items).
Each setup nets the same magical AC bonus and the same magic properties, but the two-piece setup saves about 17,000gp.
Am I doing this right?
If you wear a kilt and another armor that are both magic only one magic works (normally the stronger one) So against corporeal attacks I'd let the fortification count and the whole AC bonus.
Against incorporeal attacks only the ghost touch works, not the fortification. And it is not clear if the ghost touch works on both the kilt AC bonus and the armor AC bonus. So you might end up with only a +2 AC bonus vs incorporeals which surely is not fortificated.
If you put it on the best light armor then...many medium armors are still better.
If you put it on the best medium armor then...most heavy armors are still better.
If you put it on heavy armor then...nothing happens.
I ask the inverse question: Why would anyone ever add this to their armor rather than just get the better armor to begin with?
Wouldn't it help for getting cheaper magical armor properties?
For instance:
+1 ghost touch armored kilt costs 16,000gp
+1 chainmail w/ moderate fortification costs 16,000gpTotal cost is 32,000gp (neglecting the cost of the masterwork items); whereas:
+1 ghost touch field plate w/ moderate fortification offers the same +1 enhancement bonus to AC but costs 49,000gp (again, neglecting the cost of the masterwork items).
Each setup nets the same magical AC bonus and the same magic properties, but the two-piece setup saves about 17,000gp.
Am I doing this right?
If you wear a kilt and another armor that are both magic only one magic works (normally the stronger one) So against corporeal attacks I'd let the fortification count and the whole AC bonus.
Against incorporeal attacks only the ghost touch works, not the fortification. And it is not clear if the ghost touch works on both the kilt AC bonus and the armor AC bonus. So you might end up with only a +2 AC bonus vs incorporeals which surely is not fortificated.
What a mess. I'd just rule that armored kilts don't exist.
I didn't think celestial platemail existed. A lot of people houserule it, but celestial armor is a specific magic item not armor with modular enhancements and is only available in chain.
It is an official specific armor:
Aura faint transmutation (good); CL 8th
Slot armor; Price 25,000 gp; Weight 25 lbs.
DESCRIPTION
Celestial plate armor is a sturdier version of the standard celestial armor.
This bright silver suit of +3 full plate is remarkably light, and is treated as medium armor. It has a maximum Dexterity bonus of +6, an armor check penalty of –3, and an arcane spell failure chance of 20%. It allows the wearer to use fly on command (as the spell) once per day.
Pathfinder 11: Skeletons of Scarwall. Copyright 2008, Paizo Publishing LLC. Author: Greg A. Vaughan
So it is a full plate that counts as medium armor. As such it can, by the rules, be combined with an armored kilt.
Another bonus of the armored kilt: per RAW I don't see anything that keeps you from adding nonmagical armor enhancements to the kilt (like the vital guard) so you only get it's drawbacks when you think you'll need it.
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I ask the inverse question: Why would anyone ever add this to their armor rather than just get the better armor to begin with?
There's no armor check penalty on it and the max dex is high.
Be a dwarf. I already have the 20ft move and don't get penalized for adding a kilt.
Dwarf + kilt + Scottish accent.