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I have a cavalier that wants to awaken his wolf mount and take it as cohort with the leadership feat.

I also have rogue that wants a troll as a cohort.

What does RAW say about this? If it is not allowed but I went ahead and did it anyway, what would the best way be? I can not find anything for level adjustment so not sure how to go about it.

Thanks.
Grand Lodge

There are no level adjustments in Pathfinder.

Kinda what I thought. Any suggestions on how to implement this?

Apparently, knights of the inner sea has some guidelines on montrous cohorts to be used as mounts using leadership
I would probably consider the wolf as a worg. (easy thing to do...)

Now, if the wolf has class levels instead of being an animal companion... what class? Some synergize better... (ranger), some would be cute (paladin), others detrimental (sorcerer)

For the troll: easier, It's 6 HD and CR 5 (same as a 6th level character)

So assuming it has 1 class level as a cohort, it would be 7 HD (CR 6). So the rogue would need to be at least 9th level.

A bigger question is why isn't the troll snacking on the rogue?

Karg, I would use the straight CR instead. Many monsters have less or more hit dice than their CR because they lack/possess abilities. I would just use the CR as the level.
darkwarriorkarg wrote:


For the troll: easier, It's 6 HD and CR 5 (same as a 6th level character)

If you look at the monstrous cohorts you'll see that they are more like CR4 is equivalent to level 8 and such. So a troll would most likely be a level 10 or 11 cohort.

Monster cohorts
Albatoonoe wrote:
Karg, I would use the straight CR instead. Many monsters have less or more hit dice than their CR because they lack/possess abilities. I would just use the CR as the level.

I'm coming from the direction that a PC (which is what a cohort basically is) has a CR= Level -1.

Troll: 6 HD, CR 5. So it would be the same as a 6th level character. But as a cohort needs class levels, it would be 7HD (cr6) with almost no starting gear (L1 fighter or if the GM is nice, the "standard treasure" for the CR5 + starting fighter gold.)

And I'm only suggesting this for the troll. Each "monster" cohort needs to be individually judged on its own merits.
Umbranus wrote:
darkwarriorkarg wrote:


For the troll: easier, It's 6 HD and CR 5 (same as a 6th level character)

If you look at the monstrous cohorts you'll see that they are more like CR4 is equivalent to level 8 and such. So a troll would most likely be a level 10 or 11 cohort.

Monster cohorts

Thanks... somehow I missed that....

Thanks, looking at the link now.

Looking at the monster cohort charts, and I can find a pattern in it. What are the criteria for cohort level? Skeletal Champion is CR 2, Pegasus is CR 3, but both are cohort level 6. It the pattern CR+4 for humanoid shaped monsters and CR+3 for non-humanoid shaped monsters? No, because Howlers (CR 3) and Satyrs (CR 4) are both cohort level 7. I'm just very confused on how to gauge a monsters cohort level.

The problem with monster cohorts is that they are all way too squishy. I just took leadership with my witch and I'd really would have liked to have a monster cohort. But I looked at all those availiable and most monsters with similar CR and decided to take a human cohort instead.

I wonder if the level is where you qualify to have a monster chort, but then you add the number of character levels to bring it up to your proper "leadership score"

Ledaership is based on levels/HD, NOT CR.

I think I will use the rule for making monster PCs instead of the rules for monster cohorts. I might institute a one level tax on top of that but not the +3 or +4 from the charts.

I am just not sure if single wolf with and int score is the equal of a 1st level melee character or a 2nd level melee character.

On the same comparison is a troll equal to 5th level melee or 6th level melee character.

By equal I mean witch will add more to party not witch can kill the other better. If a there is doubt I will charge the tax.

I have a Fighter(Dragoon) that has a Dragon Cohort Mount with Sorcerer Levels. I wouldn't call them squishy in any sense of the word. When my Character died I built a similar Character but the Dragon had Fighter Levels. I would not call him Squishy at all. Heck, He was tougher than his Rider.

There is no real chart for Monster Cohorts. Their cohort level is determined by their special abilities and SLA : if Erinyes is a 16th level cohort with only 9 HD, it's only because her constant True Seeing would be too good at lower levels.

If you want to find how to calculate the cohort level of a monster that is not in the chart, the better I think is to compare with existing monster cohorts of same type and comparable CR, and adjust its level depending on its abilities.

I think you're pretty much always better off taking a druid. You wind up limited to animals, but at least you get all the hit dice you're entitled to.

If you build them right a Sorcerer Can get an Erinyes at Level 12...
Azaelas Fayth wrote:
If you build them right a Sorcerer Can get an Erinyes at Level 12...

How can he if they count as level 16 cohorts and your cohort can't be highter than two levels lower than you?

I said can not that they would be able to.
Mathius wrote:
I think I will use the rule for making monster PCs instead of the rules for monster cohorts. I might institute a one level tax on top of that but not the +3 or +4 from the charts.

This

Looking again, Dragons are in the right place, but the one level tax will stand for the rest. Thank you all for helping me make my decision. Please carry on if you want. I will keep following this.
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