Reskinning a cackle


Rules Questions


Cackling, as per the Hex ability.

"Cackling Madly." Little on the nose, don't ya think?

Any reason I can't roleplay this as creepy giggling?


i dont see why not. "cackling Madly" is just fluff.... refluff away

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Unless your DM says otherwise, you are absolutely free to alter the fluff.

As long as you're being creepy/weird, it still makes sense.


In fact. Cackle is a supernatural ability...it requires no sound, no movement, etc. Cackle however you like.


I refluffed my half drow shadow patron witch's cakcle as low, ominous, creepy, whispered chanting. Worked for me.

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I reflavoured it as 'mocking laughter' for a pirate wench witch (say that 10 times fast!)


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I would not play under a GM who didn't let me change fluff occasionally.


Seranov wrote:

Unless your DM says otherwise, you are absolutely free to alter the fluff.

As long as you're being creepy/weird, it still makes sense.

Heh, in this case, I am the DM. I like to anticipate rules lawyering and such, though.

I'm wondering if I need to let the players know that they're being cackled. A clever player might put it together that their debuffs aren't going away while the witch is giggling round after round... but, maybe not. I don't want to be a sneaky, TPK DM.


Lab_Rat wrote:
In fact. Cackle is a supernatural ability...it requires no sound, no movement, etc. Cackle however you like.

NO!! Don't give into the darkside my fellow mouse! Cackle does have a sound requirement. For the ability to work, you have to cackle madly. There have been a couple threads on this already.

In my opinion, it is perfectly reasonable to replace 'cackling madly' with another equally sound based action. Singing, chanting, shrieking, laughing, etc. Not sure about giggling, though I'd probably allow it if it were my game. Remember 'cackle' is loud and 'madly' is also loud. Whatever it is you do, it shouldn't be subtle.

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joeyfixit wrote:
Seranov wrote:

Unless your DM says otherwise, you are absolutely free to alter the fluff.

As long as you're being creepy/weird, it still makes sense.

Heh, in this case, I am the DM. I like to anticipate rules lawyering and such, though.

I'm wondering if I need to let the players know that they're being cackled. A clever player might put it together that their debuffs aren't going away while the witch is giggling round after round... but, maybe not. I don't want to be a sneaky, TPK DM.

I'd suggest you specifically point out the giggling, maybe even going as far to outright tell them that this character is using the Cackle ability.

Honestly, if you don't want to be seen as sneaky, be upfront about it. :)

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joeyfixit wrote:
Seranov wrote:

Unless your DM says otherwise, you are absolutely free to alter the fluff.

As long as you're being creepy/weird, it still makes sense.

Heh, in this case, I am the DM. I like to anticipate rules lawyering and such, though.

I'm wondering if I need to let the players know that they're being cackled. A clever player might put it together that their debuffs aren't going away while the witch is giggling round after round... but, maybe not. I don't want to be a sneaky, TPK DM.

Fluff wise the PC or NPC should be able to skin the ability as pretty much whatever they desire that fits, mechanically you should ensure that victims of it are aware the 'Cackle' ability is being used on them, exactly as they would be if it was being run RAW.

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Suthainn wrote:
I reflavoured it as 'mocking laughter' for a pirate wench witch (say that 10 times fast!)

For my goblin witch it is maniacal giggling.


joeyfixit wrote:

Cackling, as per the Hex ability.

"Cackling Madly." Little on the nose, don't ya think?

Any reason I can't roleplay this as creepy giggling?

NO! You cackle madly, or you don't cackle at all! Creepy giggling is for necromancers.


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For the male Chelaxian witch I have just decided to play, it will be low bureaucratic muttering. "Fill out these forms in Infernal, fountain pen only,no misspellings. Fill out those forms in abyssal, blue pencil only. Please join queue 13-F to turn in the purple copies..."


Is "Darth Vader breathing" a cackle too?


Lloyd Jackson wrote:
Lab_Rat wrote:
In fact. Cackle is a supernatural ability...it requires no sound, no movement, etc. Cackle however you like.

NO!! Don't give into the darkside my fellow mouse! Cackle does have a sound requirement. For the ability to work, you have to cackle madly. There have been a couple threads on this already.

In my opinion, it is perfectly reasonable to replace 'cackling madly' with another equally sound based action. Singing, chanting, shrieking, laughing, etc. Not sure about giggling, though I'd probably allow it if it were my game. Remember 'cackle' is loud and 'madly' is also loud. Whatever it is you do, it shouldn't be subtle.

What threads?

Are you saying that the witch has to be able to make noise for cackling, even though the targets of hexes modified by the cackling do not necessarily hear it?


Just have witch giggle while talking to the npc's on her turn, dont have to say 'she is cackling again'...

Grand Lodge

The Witch's Cackle requires no Verbal or Somatic component.

This is RAW.

Speak, don't speak, stand still, or wave your arms about.

All are doable.


My Hedge Witch who focused on healing and keeping Fortune on everyone at all times did it by saying really encouraging things to make everyone feel better about themselves.

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This can be used whilst grappled, and in an area of Silence.

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Lab_Rat wrote:
In fact. Cackle is a supernatural ability...it requires no sound, no movement, etc. Cackle however you like.

"A witch can cackle madly as a move action."

It seem a specific rule, not fluff. You guys really are treating half of the phrase as fluff and the other half as no-fluff?

It seem a very convenient way to treat rules, "I don't like the first part, so it is fluff".

If you seriously want a Dev opinion on that, add your FAQ requests to this thread.

Lloyd Jackson wrote:
Lab_Rat wrote:
In fact. Cackle is a supernatural ability...it requires no sound, no movement, etc. Cackle however you like.

NO!! Don't give into the darkside my fellow mouse! Cackle does have a sound requirement. For the ability to work, you have to cackle madly. There have been a couple threads on this already.

In my opinion, it is perfectly reasonable to replace 'cackling madly' with another equally sound based action. Singing, chanting, shrieking, laughing, etc. Not sure about giggling, though I'd probably allow it if it were my game. Remember 'cackle' is loud and 'madly' is also loud. Whatever it is you do, it shouldn't be subtle.

Thanks Lloyd, exactly my position.

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