Just trade out Amateur Gunslinger for Extra Grit [as per the Special line {disregarding the prerequisite as you get this as a bonus feat}], and get 2 points of extra grit.
"Amateur Gunslinger (Combat)
Although you are not a gunslinger, you have and can use grit.
Prerequisite: You have no levels in a class that has the grit class feature...
Special: If you gain levels in a class that grants the grit class feature, you can immediately trade this feat for the Extra Grit feat."
"Extra Grit (Grit)
Benefit: You gain 2 extra grit points at the start of each day, and your maximum grit increases by 2."
While Paladin gives you the feat, you do not meat the prerequisites for the feat, so you cannot use the benefits from the feats.
So - Even though Amateur Gunslinger may be listed on your character sheet, you will not gain an extra grit point, and you cannot access any deeds that you could not already access via Gunslinger levels.
This is no different from having Power Attack, and then suffering from an energy drain that drops your STR below 13. Whenever you are not able to meet the prerequisites of a feat in your possession, you cannot use/benefit from the feat.
Just trade out Amateur Gunslinger for Extra Grit [as per the Special line {disregarding the prerequisite as you get this as a bonus feat}], and get 2 points of extra grit.
By what RULES are you suggesting he swap out an archetype's class feature for a feat of his choosing?
You would probably end up with Amateur Gunslinger replaced with Extra Grit since that's what occurs when you have both Amateur Gunslinger and Grit.
This appears to be one of those rare instances where order of operation matter. if he takes paladin levels first - i believe this would be true. But if the paladin levels come after the gunslinger levels, i do not believe that is true.
Just trade out Amateur Gunslinger for Extra Grit [as per the Special line {disregarding the prerequisite as you get this as a bonus feat}], and get 2 points of extra grit.By what RULES are you suggesting he swap out an archetype's class feature for a feat of his choosing?
Special: If you gain levels in a class that grants the grit class feature, you can immediately trade this feat for the Extra Grit feat.
These rules.
This is not a feat of his choosing. The Amateur Gunslinger feat itself says that you swap it for Extra Grit if you get the real Grit feature (as per the Special line that I quoted). Under the Extra Grit feat, it says the Benefit = +2 grit, while under Normal it says the Amateur Gunslinger gets only +1, but he is no longer an Amateur Gunslinger.
I do agree that it would be a lot better if the Paladin Holy Gun Archetype just said you get Extra Grit rather than Amateur Gunslinger if you have levels of Gunslinger already. This then skips the issue of the prerequisite on the Amateur Gunslinger feat not being met when taking this paladin archetype after already being a gunslinger.
While I agree with the majority of this threat, especially regarding trading Amateur Gunslinger out for Extra Grit (even though it's a class-gained feat), there is one thing I do want to disagree with.
While Paladin gives you the feat, you do not meat the prerequisites for the feat, so you cannot use the benefits from the feats
While this is, ostensibly, a valid statement to be making, there are few instances where it does not work as a blanket rule. Putting aside the notion of feats that themselves cause you to no longer meet their prerequisites, let's take a few examples.
The Monk gains Stunning Fist at 1st level, but does not meet the prerequisites. While it says he gains it without needing to meet them, it says nothing about him being able to USE it. The bonus feats he gets are in the same boat. Based on this, one at least has to guess that if you're gaining something without meeting its prerequisites, then you can at least use it.
The Warpriest gains Weapon Focus at 1st level, and doesn't specify you don't need to meet the prerequisites. Weapon Focus has a prerequisite of +1 BAB, while a level 1 Warpriest has +0. Would he be unable to use it until he levels up?
The Arrowsong Minstrel archetype for Bards gains Precise Shot as a bonus feat at level 2. They don't automatically gain Point-Blank Shot, however, which is a prerequisite. Do they simply not gain the benefits until they take Point-Blank Shot as a feat?
Wow you guys are quick, I didn't even look at the special condition of the Amateur Gunslinger feat. So that being the case, I'm assuming the "1st-level deed you choose" of the Amateur Gunslinger feat no longer applies? Meaning Quick Clear can't be chosen in addition to having Focused Aim swapped by the Mysterious Stranger archtype.
The only way to get Quick Clear on a Mysterious Stranger this is using the Musketeer Swashbuckler archetype, which gets a nerfed version of Quick Clear at the 1st level. Another option I've been playing around with is multiclassing Sorcerer; the Jury Rig spell suppresses the broken condition for 1 round/level, and Mending gives you a usable (if tedious) way to fix misfires after combat.
As an aside, I agree with Saethori. If a class grants you a feat, then you don't need to meet its normal prerequisites. Still, this is a rather unusual case where the prerequisite is a negative rather than a positive.
@Saethori - interesting points. i reverse my opinion accordingly. this should allow him to gain quick clear too, then.. as he wouldnt be limitted to the mysterious stranger archetype abilities, but rather the standard generic gunslinger deeds.
side note - monks totally do say they can use stunning fist. "The monk may attempt a stunning attack a number of times per day equal to his monk level, plus one more time per day for every four levels he has in classes other than monk."
but all your other examples hold true. Thanks.