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Level Progression:
Level 1: Sor 1 - Sylvan Bloodline [Sorc Level - 1 (min 1)] and Boon Companion Feat
--- Sor AC 1 (Sor Level[1] + Boon Companion[4] - 3)
Level 2: Sor 2
--- Sor AC 2 (Sor Level[2] + Boon Companion[4] - 3)
Level 3: Sor 3
--- Sor AC 3 (Sor Level[3] + Boon Companion[4] - 3)
Level 4: Sor 4
--- Sor AC 4 (Sor Level[4] + Boon Companion[4] - 3)
Level 5: Pal 1
--- Sor AC 5 (Sor Level[4] + Boon Companion[4] - 3)
Level 6: Pal 2
--- Sor AC 5 (Sor Level[4] + Boon Companion[4] - 3)
Level 7: Pal 3
--- Sor AC 5 (Sor Level[4] + Boon Companion[4] - 3)
Level 8: Pal 4
--- Sor AC 5 (Sor Level[4] + Boon Companion[4] - 3)
Level 9: Pal 5 - Bonded Mount [Pal Level] and Boon Companion Feat
--- Sor AC 9 ((Sor Level[4] + Boon Companion[4] - 3) + Pal Level[5])
--- Pal AC 9 (Pal Level[5] + Bloodline[1] + Boon Companion[4])
Just to verify, you aren't thinking you should have two separate companions both at level 9 are you?
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Ok so based upon the following information I think multiple sources of Animal Companions works as follows, please feel free to chime in with your thoughts.
Character: Level 4 Sorcerer, Level 5 Paladin
Notes:
--- Boon Companion does not allow stacking and is limited to Character Level
--- Animal Companion Info: "If a character receives an animal companion from more than one source, her effective druid levels stack for the purposes of determining the statistics and abilities of the companion."Level Progression:
Level 1: Sor 1 - Sylvan Bloodline [Sorc Level - 1 (min 1)] and Boon Companion Feat
--- Sor AC 1 (Sor Level[1] + Boon Companion[4] - 3)
Level 2: Sor 2
--- Sor AC 2 (Sor Level[2] + Boon Companion[4] - 3)
Level 3: Sor 3
--- Sor AC 3 (Sor Level[3] + Boon Companion[4] - 3)
Level 4: Sor 4
--- Sor AC 4 (Sor Level[4] + Boon Companion[4] - 3)
Level 5: Pal 1
--- Sor AC 5 (Sor Level[4] + Boon Companion[4] - 3)
Level 6: Pal 2
--- Sor AC 5 (Sor Level[4] + Boon Companion[4] - 3)
Level 7: Pal 3
--- Sor AC 5 (Sor Level[4] + Boon Companion[4] - 3)
Level 8: Pal 4
--- Sor AC 5 (Sor Level[4] + Boon Companion[4] - 3)
Level 9: Pal 5 - Bonded Mount [Pal Level] and Boon Companion Feat
--- Sor AC 9 ((Sor Level[4] + Boon Companion[4] - 3) + Pal Level[5])
--- Pal AC 9 (Pal Level[5] + Bloodline[1] + Boon Companion[4])
If I'm reading your level 9 version correctly, you're suggesting that you get both an animal companion AND a bonded mount SEPARATELY. That is incorrect. Instead, you'd have one animal companion that could also function as a bonded mount if it meets the Paladin's bonded mount prerequisites, and the levels would be as follows:
Sorcerer level 4 - 3 = Effective Druid level 1
Paladin level 5 = Effective Druid level 5
Boon Companion adds up to 4 more, DEPENDING ON CHARACTER LEVEL
Total Effective Druid level for your single companion = 1 + 5 + 4 = 10, but capped at 9 from your total character level.
Now, if your companion is NOT a "heavy horse (for a Medium paladin) or a pony (for a Small paladin), boar, camel, or dog", then your Paladin can't technically use it as a bonded mount, so the abilities that it would gain from being a bonded mount don't work.
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Absolutely, everything I've read points to multiple Animal Companions. The Boon Companion Feat, even Pathfinder Society has a post indicating that it is possible (see copy/paste below). I'm unclear why people think it would be only one...
How many animals can I have at any given time?
During the course of a scenario, you may have one combat animal and as many noncombat animals as you like. Noncombat animals (ponies, horses, pet dogs, and so on) cannot participate in combat at all. If you have so many noncombat animals that their presence is slowing a session down, the GM has the right to ask you to select one noncombat animal and leave the rest behind. A summoner's eidolon is considered an animal companion for the purposes of counting combat and noncombat animals. If you have more than one class-granted animal companion (or eidolon), you must choose which will be considered the combat animal at the start of the scenario. In general, a mount, a familiar or mundane pet, and your class-granted animal(s) are acceptable, but more than that can be disruptive.
You can only have multiple Animal Companions if you have a class feature that specifically allows you to have multiple companions, such as the Pack Lord Druid. What it's referring to there is if you multiclassed in classes that give DIFFERENT types of companion creatures, such as a Summoner (Eidolon) and Druid (Animal Companion) OR a Summoner (Eidolon) and Wizard (Improved Familiar) or something like that.
If a class feature says that levels in different classes that give the same feature stack, that means you can't ever have two separate ones. The Druid Animal Companion class feature says the following:
...If a character receives an animal companion from more than one source, her effective druid levels stack for the purposes of determining the statistics and abilities of the companion.
Do you notice that it says COMPANION not COMPANIONS? That's because you get only one companion, and your levels stack. Period.
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PFS is not necessarily RAW. They have specific house-rules to deal with various situations and have chosen to ignore the line in the Animal Companion entry which says "Class Level: This is the character's druid level. The druid's class levels stack with levels of any other classes that are entitled to an animal companion for the purpose of determining the companion's statistics."
They did this mainly because they didn't want tiger-riding samurai in PFS play.
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I just think given the statement in the Pathfinder Society appears to make it quite clear that you can have multiple animal companions. It even says class-granted animal(s), plural. As far as I can tell the only thing that calls out multiple animals is the Beastmaster Archetype, not sure why if that is the _only_ one that allows it they just wouldn't state that. Also I should mention I'm building out this char for PFS specifically thus my finding that FAQ, I probably should of stated that earlier. lol Personally I don't want 2 Animal Companions, I just want to be able to stack into one and prefer that one to be my Sylvan and not my Mount.
For PFS, your levels which grant animal companions do not stack. You would have a 5th level Paladin mount and a 5th level Sorcerer companion as a 9th level character with Boon Companion. Boon Companion only applies to one AC. Also note, to use Boon Companion in PFS, you have to have a copy of Pathfinder Chronicles: Seekers of Secrets or the .pdf.
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Ok, I need to find where it says they don't stack. I have the PDF, does it say no stacking in there? I'm fine if that's how it works. Yeah I know Boon Companion only applies to one Animal Companion at a time. I was trying to work Paladin into my character and also have it stack with my Sylvan Animcal Companion, but I think I'm just going to go 9 Sorc/2 Pal and then take Boon Companion and get the Eldritch Robes. I gotta look up, I believe the Animal Companion is a Bloodline Power. I'm not concerned that it sucks up Bloodline Arcane also as long as it says it's a Bloodline Power then the Robes should work. Thanks for the help!
There's some dispute about the functionality of the robes, because the Animal Companion is both the Bloodline Power and the Arcana for the Sylvan Sorcerer, and the robes do nothing to improve Arcanas.