Bard Dervish of Dawn / Dervish Dance and Magus Spell Combat


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Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

I'm having a debate with a fellow GM over an issue that arose when he invited me to his game. I decided to go with this build that I've been wanting to do for a bard and got his okay, but he's backing up a bit on it as we've both run into an issue he I think it taking the wrong way or maybe I am. I'm asking your guys opinion an official response would be great.

I wanted to make a Bard, a Dervish of Dawn Bard so I could get the feat Dervish Dance and the other backround story that goes along with it. I also thought it would be good considering if I take a single level of Magus to grab Spell Combat. My idea is that spell combat doesn't say anything about offensive spells or the like so I could use that to get my buff spells and few offensive spells out their faster.

The issue were running into though is that in the magus spell combat it says and I copy and paste here.

At 1st level, a magus learns to cast spells and wield his weapons at the same time. This functions much like two-weapon fighting, but the off-hand weapon is a spell that is being cast.

The feat down below says- You cannot use this feat if you are carrying a weapon or shield in your off hand.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/dervish-dance-combat

He is convinced that the magic spell I'm holding in my hand should count as a weapon and make the feat invalid when I use spell combat. Perhaps were both missing something obvious but I do have to emphasize this is about Spell combat and not spell strike. Anyway any help you guys can offer is appreciated.

Scarab Sages

Spell combat works with Dervish Dance. It is a very popular way to build the Magus class.


Artanthos has it right. Your friend is wrong. Dervish Dance specifically requires you to use a Scimitar and have an open hand. The Magus Spell Combat ability requires you to have an open hand. Neither of these precludes the other, meaning they work just fine together.

One of the more common (and powerful) builds of Magus uses the Kensai and Bladebound ACFs, and throws a Maximized Intensified Shocking Grasp and Quickened Maximized Intensified Shocking Grasp every turn (Spell perfection and a specific trait makes this viable), in addition to your normal attacks, each of which generates an additional attack via Spell Strike.

Your build is fine.


So, first, he's wrong. Touch spells are "weaponlike," but are not weapons.

Second, I just wanted to point out to you that you can only cast Magus spells with Spell Combat if you're only level 1. You need the Spell Blending Arcana if you want to cast other class's spells.


mplindustries wrote:

So, first, he's wrong. Touch spells are "weaponlike," but are not weapons.

Second, I just wanted to point out to you that you can only cast Magus spells with Spell Combat if you're only level 1. You need the Spell Blending Arcana if you want to cast other class's spells.

Actually you can spell combat with any spell that happens to be on the magus spell list, even if the spell is from another class.

-James

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