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We call the goody-do-something's that can get the job done by nearly any means neutral good and chaotic good.What do you call all the other alignments that can get the job done by any means? Waait, any means sounds like they have no moral qualms..
I get it, you call the evil members 'Chaotic Good'! Genius!
NEARLY any means. A little vigilante justice is one thing. Harming innocents to get at the culprit is another.
You will find many TEO have all the tools needed at their disposal to get the job done and you can't tie us up with red-tape like you can a lawful-good group.
Neutral-good / Chaotic-good have immunity to red tape.
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I'm a big fan of that series to.More than a little.I can take it your a fan of the Dresden files book series?My planned alt is now too fitting...
** spoiler omitted **Same here. I even found a group just forming a Dresden Files RPG campaign starting Feb 9th!
I'm a Dresden Files fan too, and already playing in a DFRPG game as a rather roguish wereraven. Asheville, NC can be a weird place on the most mundane days, but 'Weird Asheville' seems to collect the fringe elements of the magical world too. We haven't met any werewolves, but there's my wereraven and a werecoyote. The Summer and Winter courts of fae aren't terribly active, but the mostly-forgotten Autumn and Spring courts are coming out of obscurity and recruiting knights. We do have a standard white court virgin, but most of them in the area feed on rage instead of lust and hang out on a compound with an old-time fire & brimstone preacher. Our pure mortal has more 'Lore' ability and sense for magical weirdness than his newbie-warden cousin from Atlanta. Misfits all.
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I've wanted to run a DFRPG game for a while, but I just don't get/like the FATE system. I'd do it with GURPS, but no one with a job and a social life can create a GURPS game from scratch...just too much custom work to do (but everything does work beautifully when you take the time!)
Are you guys using the system in the DFRPG books? How is it going?
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I've wanted to run a DFRPG game for a while, but I just don't get/like the FATE system. I'd do it with GURPS, but no one with a job and a social life can create a GURPS game from scratch...just too much custom work to do (but everything does work beautifully when you take the time!)
Are you guys using the system in the DFRPG books? How is it going?
Yeah, we're using it, and it works out fine once you get used to it. It's just not a simulationist system like Pathfinder, it's a narrativist one, which works for evoking the feel of the novels. It will probably be easier to handle if you start out with low-refresh characters, below the point where you might need to learn the magic system.
My wereraven and the Autumn knight were in the alley behind her bakery facing these things which looked like a cross between a crow and a naked, twisted old human. I used my Investigation skill to assess the flight characteristics of the things, and noticed that they had the aspect 'poor manoeuvrability'. I got one to chase me faster by mocking it - we used the deceit skill since my wereraven can mimic voices and other sounds. That made the thing angry enough to chase me at its top speed, putting the aspect 'hot pursuit' on it. Then I looped around an flew toward the building, and took my free tags on 'poor manoeuvrability' and 'hot pursuit', and spent a FATE point to tag my own aspect of 'Trickster's Chosen' to make an Athletics check with all three bonuses. The thing was so focused on chasing me that it didn't notice I had flown right at a brick wall and turned to avoid it just in time. It went crunch and made a nasty stain on the brick before tumbling to the pavement to break even more bones.
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NEARLY any means. A little vigilante justice is one thing. Harming innocents to get at the culprit is another.
You will find many TEO have all the tools needed at their disposal to get the job done and you can't tie us up with red-tape like you can a lawful-good group.
Neutral-good / Chaotic-good have immunity to red tape.
You may not be slowed down by red-tape as much, but it's definitely not an immunity as it tries to bog you down. Chaotic Good people just like to try and get rid of the tape. That's what they have in common with Chaotic Evil, y'know, except for the "I'm going to kill this person because it's Tuesday" mentality.
I don't believe that the lawful alignment truly revolves around beauracratic restrictions and more around personal conduct and integrity.
I hope I'm not distracting from the Dresden RPG talk, just putting my posts in the middle as extra thread bumps.
Honestly the bumps are my way of beginning to add my power into TEO's.
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Chaotic Good people just like to try and get rid of the tape. That's what they have in common with Chaotic Evil, y'know, except for the "I'm going to kill this person because it's Tuesday" mentality.
Nononono. That's neutral evil. Chaotic evil is "I'm going to kill you because **** you, that's why."
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Chaotic Good people just like to try and get rid of the tape. That's what they have in common with Chaotic Evil, y'know, except for the "I'm going to kill this person because it's Tuesday" mentality.Nononono. That's neutral evil. Chaotic evil is "I'm going to kill you because **** you, that's why."
LOL...sounds like some characters I know...
But I would see it more like this...
LE - I'm going to kill you because it's Tuesday
NE - I don't care what day of the week it is, I'm going to kill you... and I'm using a dull spoon.
CE - Should I kill you or bake you a cake? I don't know, lets see what my imaginary cat, Mr. Whiskers has to say... What's that Mr. Whiskers..... "bake him a cake". **** you, Mr Whiskers, I'm going to kill him.
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Lawfull alignment characters do have codes of conduct, obligations, duties and a natural respect for order and authority that they take very seriously and that can put them in difficult situations sometimes. However it's not like such individuals are robots who are incapable of acting outside of thier programming.
That, I think, is one of the mistakes that villians or others who seek to tie up Lawfully aligned characters with red tape sometime make. Lawfull characters are not physically incapable of acting outside of the law, it just that they are loathe to do so and will only resort to it under exceptional circumstances when other avenues aren't available.
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Chaotic Good people just like to try and get rid of the tape. That's what they have in common with Chaotic Evil, y'know, except for the "I'm going to kill this person because it's Tuesday" mentality.Nononono. That's neutral evil. Chaotic evil is "I'm going to kill you because **** you, that's why."LOL...sounds like some characters I know...
But I would see it more like this...
LE - I'm going to kill you because it's Tuesday
NE - I don't care what day of the week it is, I'm going to kill you... and I'm using a dull spoon.
CE - Should I kill you or bake you a cake? I don't know, lets see what my imaginary cat, Mr. Whiskers has to say... What's that Mr. Whiskers..... "bake him a cake". **** you, Mr Whiskers, I'm going to kill him.
Lawful Evil has a "good" reason for killing you. It's a really dumb law, but the punishment is death!
Neutral Evil has a reason, it just doesn't have to make much sense.
Chaotic Evil you got almost spot on: "Should I kill you or bake you a cake? I don't know, lets see what my imaginary cat, Mr. Whiskers has to say... What's that Mr. Whiskers..... 'bake him in a cake.' Why Mr. Whiskers, you devilish genius!"
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Back more on topic:
CG- I'm going to to kill you because you are an evil murderous piece of trash. Wait what? You didn't break any laws? I don't have any evidence that will hold up in court? You have diplomatic immunity? I'll be sure to put that on your tombstone.
NG is much the same but is has no strong bias against the law if the law works and is more willing to accept sensible codes of conduct. Just more as loose guidelines. They are more "spirit of the" kind of people than "letter of the law."
LG- Cries out in frustration and tries to find something they can legally arrest you on.
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You have clearly not met Alexander Damocles, Holy Risen Librarian of Abadar. He *always* can find something on you. He is also ok with guilt by association. He follows a very strong moral code, and he doesn't deviate from that. If that doesn't match up with local laws, well, bully for the local laws. They'll get over it.
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Back more on topic:
CG- I'm going to to kill you because you are an evil murderous piece of trash. Wait what? You didn't break any laws? I don't have any evidence that will hold up in court? You have diplomatic immunity? I'll be sure to put that on your tombstone.
NG is much the same but is has no strong bias against the law if the law works and is more willing to accept sensible codes of conduct. Just more as loose guidelines. They are more "spirit of the" kind of people than "letter of the law."
LG- Cries out in frustration and tries to find something they can legally arrest you on.
Of course there are some downsides to the more Chaotic alignments as well....
"Oh wait....you weren't actualy an evil muderous piece of trash, you were just setup to look like one. I went ahead and snuffed you substituting my judgement for the process that is supposed to catch things like that. Yeah, sorry about that, my bad."
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"Lets do it this way" .... "No, lets do it that way." ... "Your way is stupid." .... "No, your way is stupid." .... "Whatever, I'm doing what I want."
Pretty much any alignment has practical advantages and disadvantages, IMO, depending upon the particular situation they find themselves in. Again though, characters aren't neccesarly robots and they don't have to follow thier programing exactly....although that can get a bit more dicey for classes like Paladins which can really mechanicaly suffer for deviations.
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I am a kickstarter backer and found you all via that page. I have been reading to get a feel for your group. I feel complelled to add to his contestation.
From my reading so far and assumeing I am not mistaken which does happten....
Lawful / Netural / Good will determined by your actions not at creation of your Avatar. Everybody will start as N/N until they act. They have not said how steep the curve will be to hit Good or Evil but have provided some metrics, ie breaking an agreement, killing at random.
How do we feel about that in lew of the above conversation concerning allignment.
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Vwoom, I feel like we should make a new alignment thread and use this thread for talking about The Empyrean Order.
I feel like it's great that actions will reflect on players, I just hope that will not be visible at a distance. "He has the CE tags, get him!"
Obviously I have no idea what they plan, but given the little the people over at Goblinworks have said, there will be a bounty system and a means for the game to track "alignment" so you can access or be denied access to settlements and the like. It may be they will choose to have it all "in-game" so to speak as whispers of dark deeds done by X start popping up in taverns/Inns/Bars and shops or even on the street. This seems somewhat in keeping with the plans for an all player-based economy (no mail system or banks so gold farmers are likely not to be that big a problem and it gives a more immersive feel). My personal feelings are that no one should have any tags easily identifying them as good/evil/lawful/chaotic, etc... as this will mean you will have to learn about a persons reputation the same way a Pathfinder PC will hear rumors and such as he/she is out and about in their GM's campaign world. I'd rather risk being attacked by a bad guy than know as soon as I look at him/her that they are some flavor of evil, or even CN and thus crazy. That would add a nice depth of game play, IMHO.
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I am a kickstarter backer and found you all via that page. I have been reading to get a feel for your group. I feel complelled to add to his contestation.
From my reading so far and assumeing I am not mistaken which does happten....
Lawful / Netural / Good will determined by your actions not at creation of your Avatar. Everybody will start as N/N until they act. They have not said how steep the curve will be to hit Good or Evil but have provided some metrics, ie breaking an agreement, killing at random.
How do we feel about that in lew of the above conversation concerning allignment.
I believe they let you pick your initial alignment and you drift from there. That's somewhat important as they want new players to be able to associate themselves with settlements or chartered companies early on if they want (helps the player fit into the game/game community). Since you can only be a member of settlements companies within 1 step of your alignment it would be rather limiting for new players to automaticaly start at true N...as that would mean they couldn't be part of LG,CG,LE,CE organizations.
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Hello esteemed members of the Empyrean Order and a special greeting to my fellow Grand Master Andius!
My name is Alku Leon, Grand Master of the Fraternal Order of the Bloody Hand. This is probably long overdue, but I just wanted to say I'm excited to see that you guys are growing well! The more *cough* targets *cough* the merrier I always say!
We are looking forward to meeting you all on the roads and paths of the River Kingdoms! Let us know if, in your Kingdom making, you need certain areas... cleaned up... we'll happily evict those who are very obviously trespassing in your sovereign territory!
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Greetings to you, leaders and members of The Empyrean Order,
I come bearing a simple introduction. I am Beilian Trask, newly appointed Emissary of Pax Aeternum. It is my duty to aid Ambassador Ezikial Krow in any and all diplomatic relations between our two communities in the days to come.
I look forward to a bright future in the River Kingdoms for us all,
Emissary Trask
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I've only been to one tourney down there and it was back when Trimaris was still part of Merides. I do have a good friend down that way though (Merawald). If you make it to Pennsic we should get together. I camp with the Pentamere Free Company just off the NW corner of the battlefield.I am a SCAdian in the awesome kingdom of Trimaris!
Valinar
I hope to get back to Pennsic... when I lived in Maryland it was much easier to go. Living in Florida means it is a bit more daunting.
I will look you up if I ever get back that way!
Valinar
