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I couldn't find anything in the books that says yay or nay on this.
Is a magus automatically proficient with his black blade, even if it is an exotic weapon? Or do i have to spend a feat on EWP? I went with the latter, but my GM argues that the magus is automatically proficient. It's fine for me either way, but...
Let's hear from you fine folk...
I think by RAW, they are not automatically proficient.
But your DM sounds like a nice guy, so go with his interpretation.
I think the list for the black blade is limited, so one cannot have, say an elven curved blade, even though you may be an elf and automatically proficient. I think this would over extend the magus as a class too much into a fighter with some magic overcharge.
Weapon Proficiency and the Black Blade class feature do not have any special interaction. It does not grant proficiency, neither does it require proficiency to be chosen. For instance, choosing a falcata as your Black Blade does not make you proficient with it, but you need not have spent one of your feats on EWP:falcata to choose it.
When Ultimate Magic came out and I wanted to play an elf Magus, my GM told me that elves were basically Japanese in his world, which made me want to play him wielding a katana. The GM, to keep his own world's consistency and keep me happy, gave me two bonus feats: EWP:katana and "Samurai Caste" (or something along those lines) since katana was daisho in his mind and I wouldn't be allowed to carry one without the feat.
So yeah- no special interaction but if your GM wants to give it to you, I say take it.
I'd still say that take advantage of the fact that you have a good and open-minded DM, and go by his interpretation.
Hell, unless I find that kind of DM, the only Magus I might ever play is a Tengu or just has a specific Dervish Dance build and fluff.
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Very recently had this debate because I took the heirloom weapon trait to make me proficient with a Black Blade Bastard Sword.
Basically, if you want to have an Exotic Weapon as a Black Blade, you're gonna need to get proficiency for it from somewhere and you don't get it from being a BB Magus automatically. So feats or traits, really.
Awesome dm! But no, one way, if you like the variant is do kensi free any one martial or exotic weapon (melee only) and weapon focus with it, but there are major draw backs to this variant. No armor (gets the dualist add int to ac stuff) and only simple weapons beside your one weapon (which you will become a beast with) and black blade stacks with this variant nicely.
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Elven Curve Blade is a 2 handed weapon without the ability to be used one handed like a Bastard Sword or Dwarven Waraxe, ergo you can't or shouldn't take it as a magus black blade.
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Huh, I haven't seen a magus using this much necromancy before.
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Dec 13, 2012, 12:12 pmI suppose they have got the answer a few years ago.
Except there was new people still thinking you could magus an elven curve blade.
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Except there was new people still thinking you could magus an elven curve blade.Dec 13, 2012, 12:12 pmI suppose they have got the answer a few years ago.
The comment was about resurrecting a thread when there have been 3 years of FAQs and 9 years of discussions about the argument after the last post.
Very recently had this debate because I took the heirloom weapon trait to make me proficient with a Black Blade Bastard Sword.
This is an example of outdated stuff in the thread (it was outdated even in 2012).
Heirloom Weapon: You carry a weapon that has been passed down from generation to generation in your family. This heirloom weapon is of masterwork quality (but you pay only the standard cost at character creation).
You gain a +1 trait bonus on attack rolls with this specific weapon and are considered proficient with that specific weapon (but not other weapons of that type) even if you do not have the required proficiencies.
Heirloom Weapon: You carry a non-masterwork simple or martial weapon that has been passed down from generation to generation in your family (pay the standard gp cost for the weapon). When you select this trait, choose one of the following benefits: proficiency with that specific weapon, a +1 trait bonus on attacks of opportunity with that specific weapon, or a +2 trait bonus on one kind of combat maneuver when using that specific weapon.
It doesn't work with exotic weapons and it gives a non-masterwork weapon, while an unawakened Black Blade is a masterwork weapon.
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Honestly, ressurecting a dead thread isn't that bad anymore, since we aren't getting anymore updates. Someone got to this thread by searching, which means that someone else will probably get here again by searching. No harm in appending a correction to a dead thread. Just don't expect to get in contact with the original posters.
It wouldn't be too far-fetched to make a home-brew feat allowing for a black blade to take on the form of a two-handed weapon since there's the Gloomblade archetype for Fighters and Phantom Blade archetype for Spiritualists. ;)
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It wouldn't be too far-fetched to make a home-brew feat allowing for a black blade to take on the form of a two-handed weapon since there's the Gloomblade archetype for Fighters and Phantom Blade archetype for Spiritualists. ;)
It isn't a matter of the Black Blade, it is a matter of Spell Combat. Spell combat doesn't work unless you have a free hand. And it is restrictive on the definition of what is a free hand, if you read the FAQs.
AFAIk, every time people have tried to use a feat to bypass the "free hand" requisite, they have been stopped by the FAQs and rule texts. Creating a homebrew feat to remove one of the big limitations of Spell combat doesn't seem a good idea.
Note that a bastard sword or a katana are one-handed weapons, so they can be a black blade. But without the appropriate EWP it is not possible to use spell combat with them.
It isn't a matter of the Black Blade, it is a matter of Spell Combat. Spell combat doesn't work unless you have a free hand. And it is restrictive on the definition of what is a free hand, if you read the FAQs.
AFAIk, every time people have tried to use a feat to bypass the "free hand" requisite, they have been stopped by the FAQs and rule texts. Creating a homebrew feat to remove one of the big limitations of Spell combat doesn't seem a good idea.
Note that a bastard sword or a katana are one-handed weapons, so they can be a black blade. But without the appropriate EWP it is not possible to use spell combat with them.
Good to know on those little bit of magusey caveats, Diego Rossi. ;)
That does leads me to wonder if some sort of 'two feat that has a feat tax' might be a nice homebrewy thing for those black-bladed maguses that wants to have their weird two handed weapon goodness and the eatable cake to let them haz spell combat with them too...
Something like a first connected feat allowing the use of those weird two handers followed by a following feat that eases spell-combat restrictions to allow for a such a combo in the first place; with a human or a race that gets an extra feat at 1st level (like a Triaxian), it'd be at least 5th level before that sorta stuff goes all gonzo-like.
PS. plus, as a homebrewy feat taxed tree, something like the Elephant in the Room houserules won't apply to this feat since it be homebrewed stuff.
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Just become a Half-Marilith, two hand a big sword, carry your meta-magic rod in your third hand, and spell combat with the fourth.