Why do we need that Elven Lich Wizard's Spellbook to conquer the world? When we have an iPad!
Yeah, that Shocking Grasp spell totally maxed out my hard drive.
==Aelryinth
How much would an always-on Amulet of Protection from Evil be worth? Three nice effects, in one measly first-level spell...
Per Table 15-29:
+2 AC bonus (deflection) = Bonus squared x 2,000 gp = 8,000 gp
+2 Save bonus (resistance) = Bonus squared x 1,000 gp = 4,000 gp
Immune to mental control = nearest equivalent is ring of freedom of movement = 40,000 gp / 2 (mental control is less common and there are no non-magical means detailed) = 20,000 gp
Barrier against evil summoned creatures = nearest equivalent is 3rd face of cube of force = 62,000 gp / 5 = 12,400 gp
The most costly effect is the immunity to mental control at 20,000 gp. The other effects are multiplied by 1.5, per the Multiple Different Abilities rule on pg. 549 (item uses a body slot). So, the total of all effects is 20,000 gp + (12,400 gp x 1.5) + (8,000 gp x 1.5) + (4,000 gp x 1.5) = 20,000 gp + 18,600 gp + 12,000 gp + 4,000 gp = 44,600 gp. Because the effects only work against evil creatures, a reduction of at least 30% (equivalent to requiring a specific alignment) to possibly 50% would be warranted. Final market price should probably be around 22,300 gp on the low end and 31,220 gp on the high end.
Remember, just the AC and deflection bonuses are the equivalent of a ring of protection +2 (8,000 gp) and a cloak of resistance +2 (4,000 gp), not to mention the immunity to mental control and the prevention of physical contact. Pricing it as a 1 min/level spell effect (spell level x caster level x 2,000 gp x 2 = 4,000 gp) seriously undervalues it compared to existing items (bad Paizo for missing this consideration for bracers of the falcon).
However, an unlimited command word item at CL 5 (5 minutes per activation) would have a market price of 1 x 5 x 1,800 gp = 9,000 gp for much the same effect.
It was priced at 30k gp as an item for the Savage Tide APG. Note that in Pathfinder it only gives the protection against magic from evil casters, not all casters.
==Aelryinth
i have a question and dont know where to ask.
ive looked for a few weeks but cant find a thread related to this question....
if i have an item created for me ..
Bracers of Armour +1 1000gp
and combine a Ring of Pro +1 (2000gp)and Amulet of Natural Armour +1 (2000gp) into it so it now becomes one item.
how much does it cost to make.
it has 3 simular abitities from 3 different sources( armour, natural and deflection).
im sure this has been asked befor but i just cant find the thread.
plz help !
"Multiple Different Abilities: ... For items that take up space on character's body, each additional power not only has no discount but instead has a 50% increase in price." (Core Rulebook. pg. 549)
The abilities are similar, but the item takes up space on the body and are constant effects, instead of something that requires activation/charges like a staff. Total market price is 2,000 gp + (2,000 gp x 1.5) + (1,000 gp x 1.5) = 6,500 gp. Considering that bracers of armor +3 are 9,000 gp, it's still a bargain.
And the abilities can probably be increased independently.
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I find Magic Arms & Armour and Wondrous Item are the two best feats for most casters and even non-casters.
These two, definitely.
Your primary items are going to be;
Craft Wondrous Item
Stat-boosting items (belts of strength, headbands of intellect, etc.)
Cloaks of Resistance
Amulets of Natural Armor
Handy Haversacks
Ioun Stones
Arms & Armor
Magic Armor
Magic Shields
Magic Weapons
Rods
Metamagic Rods
Rings
Protection
Energy Resistance
Wands
Scrolls
Potions
For the most part, you'll save the most money with Craft Wondrous Item and Craft Arms & Armor, and can pay use the cash your saving on that stuff to pay full price for your Rods of Megamagic, your consumable wands, scrolls and potions, and your Rings of Protection and Energy Resistance.
Craft Wondrous Item also covers a lot of other fun stuff, like Figurines of Wondrous Power, Cloaks/Boots/Carpets of Flying, Phylacteries of Channeling, Boots of Speed, Pearls of Power, etc.
awsome, thanks guys. and yes, i will be upgrading slowly through my campain career.
as a druid/monk i need slots open for other various items, most notable a sweet little item my GM haned out ... electrical amulet of mighty fists !
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sorry to bring up the ring of infernal healing again, but does 32,000 sound like a more reasonable price point?
Spell level x caster level x 2,000 gp
If a continuous item has an effect based on a spell with a duration measured in rounds, multiply the cost by 4. If the duration of
the spell is 1 minute/level, multiply the cost by 2, and if the duration is 10 minutes/level, multiply the cost by 1.5. If the spell has a
24-hour duration or greater, divide the cost in half.
i went with caster lvl 7 because thats the min lvl for forge ring.
@Jarred Henninger:
1x7x2,000=14,000x4=56,000GP
But if you reduce the CL to the minimum you get:
1x1x2,000=2,000x4=8,000GP
So say 10,000GP or 15,000.
Is Scroll creation worth it for classes that don't start with the feat? The Druid in my group is considering it, but I think it's a bad idea, especially since my Wizard can already do it. But I don't think Druids can read Wizard scrolls, can they?
Is Scroll creation worth it for classes that don't start with the feat? The Druid in my group is considering it, but I think it's a bad idea, especially since my Wizard can already do it. But I don't think Druids can read Wizard scrolls, can they?
They can't use a scroll of a spell they can't cast. And they might not even be able to use Arcane Scrolls at all.
Is the feat worth it? depends on what the Druid is wanting to do in combat.
If they are going to be the Wildshaping Slaughter Machine then it won't really give them anything.
If they are going to be the main Buffer of the Party then it would be worth the feat...
the druid can help the mage create druid scrolls.
so long as one of them has the ability to scribe a scroll the other just lends the spell to be put on the scroll.
I just checked the rules, and there doesn't seem to be a difference between arcane and divine scrolls and wands. So if the wizard and druid can make a druid scroll together, the druid can use it. A bard should be able to use a cure light wounds scroll or wand created by a cleric.
I thought these divisions were stricter, but maybe that's just 3.5.
It seems to be 3.5 that made a distinction...
Pathfinder doesn't make a distinction other than when buying/crafting...
Yup. gotta make it a CLW X/d item instead. Then its wondrous.Brew Potion is implied to sub for any 1 shot consumable item like that, regardless of form, so no, that won't work.
You use CWI to craft elixirs. if it's a 'spell in a bottle', regardless of bottle, it's a potion.
==Aelryinth
And infinitely better than a silly Potion. Also also also -- there's no Spell Level restriction on Wondrous Items like there is for Brew Potion.
Is Scroll creation worth it for classes that don't start with the feat? The Druid in my group is considering it, but I think it's a bad idea, especially since my Wizard can already do it. But I don't think Druids can read Wizard scrolls, can they?
Never for Spontaneous Casters. Period. So, Oracles, Sorcs, Bards and Inquisitors -- never ever take Scribe Scroll, please.
For Clerics, Druids and Witches, it can depend. Clerics probably will get at least as much mileage out of the Feat as a Wizard, but Druids probably shouldn't waste the Feat slot since they don't really have the same "utility role capability" as a Cleric and Wizard do. The few niche spells which may conceivably be important on the Druid list are easy enough to prepare during down time. All the plant/animal-specific spells are basically just trash, ignore them. They won't come into play for 90% of your career unless the entire campaign is organized around dealing strictly with creatures of the wood.
Witches I think have a strong motivation for taking the feat, though: their familiar acts as a spellbook and they don't automatically learn many Witch spells, but they do have a fairly long class spell list. Being able to Scribe Scrolls doesn't help you expand your spells-known, but it does allow you to "save" and transfer spells known between familiars should the worst happen or you want to "upgrade" to an Improved Familiar (strongly advised). They are, essentially, Wizards, and they have a great many useful situational spells which they will want when the situation arises but they won't want or be able to prepare all the time. I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's a "must have" feat for all Witches, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a Witch build which simply cannot fit the slot for it.
@Jarred Henninger:
1x7x2,000=14,000x4=56,000GP
But if you reduce the CL to the minimum you get:
1x1x2,000=2,000x4=8,000GP
So say 10,000GP or 15,000.
Totally missing the point IMO. You only start making those calculations if you can't find a comparable item to reference. For that ring your first stop is Ring of Regeneration.
How about:
RoIH: 30,000GP