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I'm in.
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I would commit obscene amounts of money toward the crowd funding of this most excellent sounding game. A Numerian companion and/or campaign setting would be a perfect primer for this genre of project. Count me in.
I'm all over this! Let the Kickstarter/Paizo-backing begin! Now, to dig out my plant mutation character sheet, circa 1992.
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Is 2 months long enough to be considered a necro? Regardless, I'd love to hear any updates from James and get more people voicing support. This sounds awesome.
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As would I.
Eeyup!
I'd buy a copy or two.
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No updates, really. I've been pretty much slammed on the free time schedule with freelance for Paizo for the past 2 months, and that's looking to continue for a few more months, which means no time for me to work on something like Unspeakable Futures.
I've not yet decided if I'm going to run a game of it for Paziocon, but if I do, I'll be working on the rules again in anticipation for that event.
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Five seasons and a mov... I mean, Kickstarter. Count me in for it if it happens!
@James: Thanks for the quick response! If you do happen to run it at Paizocon, would you be open to someone videotaping some gameplay? I probably won't be able to make it there, but I'd love to see a video if you're comfortable with it. It's understandable if you're not, though.
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@James: Thanks for the quick response! If you do happen to run it at Paizocon, would you be open to someone videotaping some gameplay? I probably won't be able to make it there, but I'd love to see a video if you're comfortable with it. It's understandable if you're not, though.
I'm not sure what kind of room I'll be running it in. Last Paizo con, all the "celebrity" games were in private rooms, which was very cool; all the previous years they were in shared rooms which would make videotaping kinda tough.
I wouldn't mind if someone videotaped a session I ran, but that would be something someone else would need to do, and they'd need to get permission from the rest of the group. Same goes for simply audio recording the session.
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No updates, really. I've been pretty much slammed on the free time schedule with freelance for Paizo for the past 2 months, and that's looking to continue for a few more months, which means no time for me to work on something like Unspeakable Futures.
I've not yet decided if I'm going to run a game of it for Paziocon, but if I do, I'll be working on the rules again in anticipation for that event.
That's interesting - in addition to working full time for Paizo, you also do freelance for Paizo .... No comment beyond that, really, I just found that interesting ...
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That's interesting - in addition to working full time for Paizo, you also do freelance for Paizo .... No comment beyond that, really, I just found that interesting ...
That is why they are called Paizonians. Their life, their world, their whole universe is Paizo.
I wonder if it is a template or if they actually get reincarnated in a new race.
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That's interesting - in addition to working full time for Paizo, you also do freelance for Paizo .... No comment beyond that, really, I just found that interesting ...No updates, really. I've been pretty much slammed on the free time schedule with freelance for Paizo for the past 2 months, and that's looking to continue for a few more months, which means no time for me to work on something like Unspeakable Futures.
I've not yet decided if I'm going to run a game of it for Paziocon, but if I do, I'll be working on the rules again in anticipation for that event.
It costs a lot to keep a Fiendish T Rex fed... That and Gnarlyhotep (Nyarlathotep's surfing cousin) demands tribute in Reese's Pieces by the ton.
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There you go being all reasonable. And here I was thinking we should all mail James a case of redbull each with $50 taped to it and call it done...guess I'll have to wait for my dream of running a d20 dark tower game...sighPaizo presents a James Jacobs creation...Unspeakable Futures!
Yeah, I'd skip a few meals to contribute to that.
You, me, and a lot of others might be willing to back a Kickstarter for UF. The question is whether James is willing to skip a whole lot of sleep to make it happen. And (speaking from experience), it's hard to be creative when you're sleep-deprived and stressed out with too many projects!
I know all about sreading myself too thin to effectively manage all the projects I'm responsible for in my personal and professional lives. So, let's respect the Creative Director's decisions to focus on Pathfinder, at least for now.
Because no one would want a half-baked game with James' name attached-- least of all James. And Pathfinder would suffer if the Creative Director decided to split his time between Golarion and a personal vanity project.
So, James, while we all would love to see Unspeakable Futures in print, we understand that we're going to have to wait a while... possibly a very long while.
We need to get him a few simulacrum scrolls and a share mind spell.
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I guess the main thing driving the potential development of this is demand for the product.
I personally loved Gamma World, but have to wonder how much of a cash generator it was for tsr.....
(I realize that this might not be a 100% Gamma World analogue, but I do believe the potential for comparison is there).
The "straight fantasy DnD stuff" seemed to appeal to a much wider audience,........
Withe Wolf did a d20 version of Gamma World, interesting but not awe inspiring. The technology was updated and more realistic but something was lost in the feeling of the world. Mi impression is that it wasn't a great success.
I've always been interested in post-apocalyptic, pseudo-scifi settings! And as long as it's not goofy or depressing in its grim-dark qualities (neither of which seem to be the case - based on the tidbits posted here & there), I'll most certainly get a copy.
And thanks for sharing with the community.
Carry on!
-- C.
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That's interesting - in addition to working full time for Paizo, you also do freelance for Paizo .... No comment beyond that, really, I just found that interesting ...No updates, really. I've been pretty much slammed on the free time schedule with freelance for Paizo for the past 2 months, and that's looking to continue for a few more months, which means no time for me to work on something like Unspeakable Futures.
I've not yet decided if I'm going to run a game of it for Paziocon, but if I do, I'll be working on the rules again in anticipation for that event.
That's not unusual—several of us do freelance work for our products. Pretty much every time you see a Paizo employee's name on the cover of a book, that was written as freelance. We actually do relatively little writing entirely of our own "on the clock," although there's a fair amount of rewriting that, alas, can end up being as much our own work anyway that ends up getting done on the clock as part of development.
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I've always been interested in post-apocalyptic, pseudo-scifi settings! And as long as it's not goofy or depressing in its grim-dark qualities (neither of which seem to be the case - based on the tidbits posted here & there), I'll most certainly get a copy.
And thanks for sharing with the community.
Carry on!
-- C.
Unspeakable Futures is actually pretty grim and stark... much more so than Gamma World. Not as bad as "The Road" though. It's probably about equally grim and dark and depressing as The Road Warrior or Fallout... which can be pretty grim and dark and depressing at times! But there's always hope!
So this is going to be a James Jacobs 3PP Pathfinder Supplement or such?
Or are you planning on using a separate system?
Unspeakable Futures is actually pretty grim and stark... much more so than Gamma World. Not as bad as "The Road" though. It's probably about equally grim and dark and depressing as The Road Warrior or Fallout... which can be pretty grim and dark and depressing at times! But there's always hope!I've always been interested in post-apocalyptic, pseudo-scifi settings! And as long as it's not goofy or depressing in its grim-dark qualities (neither of which seem to be the case - based on the tidbits posted here & there), I'll most certainly get a copy.
And thanks for sharing with the community.
Carry on!
-- C.
It's dark? I'm in.
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So this is going to be a James Jacobs 3PP Pathfinder Supplement or such?
Or are you planning on using a separate system?
IF I ever do something with it...
It'll use the Pathfinder PRD rules but will be a different game, with different classes and rules and the like. But at its core, it'll be the same modified d20 system.
So more like Pathfinder Modern or Pathfinder Horror?
I was using Pathfinder sort of how d20 was used.
And really wouldn't Post-Apoc be a mix of both of those with a little "Pathfinder Future"?
I really like that concept... Maybe use some of the Variant Rules from Ultimate Combat to give it a better way of handling certain effects.
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I've always wanted to post-apocalyptic type survival rpg's like GammaWorld, Aftermath, Twilight 2000, etc but couldnt find a good GM or game that lasted more then a couple sessions.
A new setting/game system that included fantasy, modern, future, and horror sounds like it'd be loads of fun. Just hope that when this finally comes out I'll be able to find a good group/GM.
So what I've understand so far is that you've got a post-apocalypse/near future/with magic game running around in your head trying to get out.
It sound really cool.
Is it something like a more adult, more realistic, more grounded "Thundarr the Barbarian"?
Sorry bad joke.
Hey! You leave Thundarr alone! Some of my best friends are moks!
(Sorry, that little reprimand was really just so I wouldn't have to post "Dot".)
Wait.
Darnit!
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You know James, given that a recent AP sent characters all over the place in terms of, you know, planets and such.....and given that Golarion itself has places that have crashed spacehips and such.....it isn't beyond the realms of feasability that your creation could easily slot within the realms of Golarion universe. Why, I can just imagine a stuation where the ship that crashed in Alkenstar? was fleeing the very appocolypse that created your Unspeakable Futures. The very tech that brought about the gunslinger class itself has obviously travelled with this ship, perhaps with a view scratchy holo vids that taught some of that tech to the locals when they stumbled across said devices.
Surely that segways nicely enough into Golarion law that Paizo would happily support a system such as this. New rules are easily explained in the physics of the world being far different to that of Golarion itself. I reckon you'd have huge amounts of support from enough areas of the game market it would be successful.
As a matter of fact, when you guys get around to doing an Alkenstar AP, surely this is a facet worth exploring to even test the market persay?
Just offering some incentive
I'd love to see Paizo push into this area, to provide an alternative to shadowrun and Dark Heresy for the sci fi/appocolypse feel of things.
More importantly, given how much passion you seem to have for this idea, I'd love to see you realise another dream of yours.
Cheers
Dotting this, and also much nerdgasming on my part when I read this.
Hoping to somehow, someday, get my grubby little gamer-mitts on this.
Even if you do decide to publish this through the Paizo label, I can't see how this could go wrong.
In case my sleep-deprived brain has missed it, did you have any 'races' or was it a Human-only campaign?
So more like Pathfinder Modern or Pathfinder Horror?Neither.
If I had to call it "Pathfinder" something, it'd be "Pathfinder Post-Apocalypse."
Which doesn't roll off the tongue NEARLY as well as pretty much anything else. ;-P
Pathocalypse?
Pathocalypse?So more like Pathfinder Modern or Pathfinder Horror?Neither.
If I had to call it "Pathfinder" something, it'd be "Pathfinder Post-Apocalypse."
Which doesn't roll off the tongue NEARLY as well as pretty much anything else. ;-P
Ugh no.
Unspeakable Futures works well, dont change it.
I agree, was just trying to make a joke.
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I agree, was just trying to make a joke.Pathocalypse?So more like Pathfinder Modern or Pathfinder Horror?Neither.
If I had to call it "Pathfinder" something, it'd be "Pathfinder Post-Apocalypse."
Which doesn't roll off the tongue NEARLY as well as pretty much anything else. ;-P
Ugh no.
Unspeakable Futures works well, dont change it.
Guess my sarcasmfu failed as much as your jokefu.
But I do like the name 'Unspeakable Futures'.
Very interested in this; i love mixed genre games (TORG System was one of my favorite game ideas of all time). I signed up for this event as my first choice in the Paizocon Lottery, here's hoping...
Skipped the middle. Saw Wrath's post because I was thinking the same. (You know..."Great minds..." and the rest of that quote).
<Raises hand. Stands and clears throat>
Mr. Jacobs, Sir? To echo what Wrath posted (and most likely others) your Unspeakable Futures could fit in the Golarion 'verse (Distant Planets) OR maybe the Mana Wastes? OR Maybe this can be "introduced" via a Mana Waste module/AP/thingy?
Need you really re-invent the wheel? Consider that you've already played this game w/ others @ Paizo. (I think I read that correctly). Thus further development will be virtually, relatively "easy" if kept in house @Paizo HQ.
Besides, based on your classes posted earlier what is MORE Post Apocalyptic than the Starfall event????
<Sits down and waits patiently for the response>
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No... Unspeakable Futures wouldn't fit into Golarion at all. It's an entirely different genre, with entirely different themes. There's certainly a fair amount of crossover in those themes, but just as I'd rather not see Mad Max roll into King's Landing and challenge Jamie Lannister to a race, I'd rather not merge Unspeakable Futures with Golarion.
That said... Unspeakable Futures DOES use the same rules as Golarion, and so if I were to publish Unspeakable Futures, one could indeed merge them on their own.
No... Unspeakable Futures wouldn't fit into Golarion at all. It's an entirely different genre, with entirely different themes. There's certainly a fair amount of crossover in those themes, but just as I'd rather not see Mad Max roll into King's Landing and challenge Jamie Lannister to a race, I'd rather not merge Unspeakable Futures with Golarion.
That said... Unspeakable Futures DOES use the same rules as Golarion, and so if I were to publish Unspeakable Futures, one could indeed merge them on their own.
Ah. Got it. Different "Post Apocalyptic" theme.
In that case, Sir, please view my post as an elaborate "Dot" ;p
Also...WOW! According to the time stamp that was a quick response! It waas 4:00 AM-ish when I typed my post. (I don't sleep per se anymore....just take long naps!)
Thanks for the quick reply!
<Raises hand again>
Follow up question, Mr. Jacobs, Sir? When does Beta Testing start and where can I sign up???
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Follow up question, Mr. Jacobs, Sir? When does Beta Testing start and where can I sign up???
;p
The game's been in Beta for over ten years now... close to 12 or 13, in fact. A PUBLIC Beta though... that's still far off.
At this point... getting into one of the Unspeakable Futures games I run at Paizocon is about it.
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So more like Pathfinder Modern or Pathfinder Horror?Neither.
If I had to call it "Pathfinder" something, it'd be "Pathfinder Post-Apocalypse."
Which doesn't roll off the tongue NEARLY as well as pretty much anything else. ;-P
Couldn't you simply call it Pathfinder Futures...seems to roll off the tongue nicely :)
Follow up question, Mr. Jacobs, Sir? When does Beta Testing start and where can I sign up???
;p
The game's been in Beta for over ten years now... close to 12 or 13, in fact. A PUBLIC Beta though... that's still far off.
At this point... getting into one of the Unspeakable Futures games I run at Paizocon is about it.
Well...looks like I have to talk my wife into a vacation up to Seattle 'round Paizo-con time next year. I've always wanted to take her to Crescent Beach near Port Angeles anyway....
Didn't get into the Paizocon Event, but there is always next year, =) Hoping for some exciting updates after the con here though!
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Question for James...
In the games that you ran, what was the time frame for after the apocalypse? How long after I mean.
I always thought it would interesting to play in a post-apocalypse world where scavenging parties were sent out to explore and bring back need parts and materials and such.
I've played in the Fantasy Games Unlimited Aftermath setting and it was fun but we never did get very far.
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Question for James....
I was wondering if you'd be willing to give us a little back ground on the apocalypse.
You've said that the game setting is kinda base off earth 100 years from now-ish.
Was the horror and fantasy already being seen before the fall or did the new stuff come about because of the apocalypse?