hi plp, i´ve read a lot of resurrection threads but i cant seems to understand how does the spell work exactly, (i may be retarded or something´, dunno right now >.>)
so im going to make an example to see if i get the spell right
let´s say i got a half elf cleric lvl 11 with the following stats (without magic gear)
14-14-14-13-18(14+2 racial+2 lvl 4 and 8)-12
and he dies because an undead ogre with a pair of rune axes chopped him
somehow, the party finds a a scroll of limited wish and casts resurrection on him
now lets assume i roll an elf on the d100%
now comes the problem
option A: i remove the +2 wis and i add a -2 con +2 dex
option B: i only add the -2 con +2 dex and the mental stats remain as they were
so?
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First, you mean Reincarnate, not Resurrection. Resurrection brings you back to life in your current form, it doesn't give you a new form.
And its Option B. Mentally, you would still e a half-elf. Physically, you are an elf now. You would retain the mental ability scores of the half-elf, and gain the physical ability scores of the elf.
The "mental stats remain" clause is just there to indicate that you don't change your mental stats based on your new race; any racial stat affects on int/wis/cha don't take effect.
If you don't gain the mental stats of the new form, why would you lose the mental stats of the old form? Either you are still mentally a member of your old form, and retain your mental stat adjustments, or mentally you are a member of your new form, and should gain the mental adjustments of your new form.
A half-elf reincarnated as a full elf is still mentally a half-elf.
And James Jacobs agrees. Or at least he did in late 2011. Certainly could of changed his mind since then. And in other Reincarnate threads (do a search on the forums for "Reincarnate James Jacobs"), he also mentions things like retaining you human bonus feat when you reincarnate. The only thing Reincarnate changes are physical qualities - mental qualities remain the same.
Specifically:
In this case, though, I actually agree with your players reincarnate specifically does NOT alter your mental stats, so whatever those were in your previous life, even if you gained racial bonuses, should not change.
yes i meant reincarnate, sorry, my bad :S
well, as you can see, so far i got 2 answers, and they are the opposite, that`s why i m in a doubt.
yes i meant reincarnate, sorry, my bad :S
well, as you can see, so far i got 2 answers, and they are the opposite, that`s why i m in a doubt.
3 answers. I posted a link to an answer from James Jacobs. A developer of the game. You could possibly consider that an official response from Paizo.
I can see an argument both ways, but to me "remaining ability scores" referring to str/dex/con implies that the previous portion of the sentence was referring to all stats.
Or, you know, you an actually use both of the relevant sentences, instead of choosing to ignoring one. Especially since if you just look at the second sentence, it never tells you what to remove the racial adjustments from (could be skills). The first sentence clears up what is being talked about - the physical ability scores.
Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution scores depend partly on the new body. First eliminate the subject's racial adjustments (since it is no longer necessarily of his previous race) and then apply the adjustments found below to its remaining ability scores.
The physical scores are specifically said to depend on the new form in the first sentence. The second sentence says how to determine that. Mental scores are never mentioned. The "apply to remaining ability scores" refers to whatever is left of your physical scores after the old racial modifiers are removed.