Who would win? Spiderman versus a Jedi Knight


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Brought to you by the two fellows standing behind me in line at the theatre that carried on a very heated version of this debate for over 20 minutes.

SPIDERMAN versus JEDI

I found myself being drawn into it, but there is obviously only one correct answer....


... Batman?


Rubber Ducky guy wrote:
... Batman?

Batman is at most an hors d'oeuvre.

Only a man of spider or a knight of Jedi can win this battle.

Liberty's Edge

Jedi. Not even close.


Spider-Man has foresight in his spider-sense in that he has a precognitive sense that tells him when he is being attacked, much the same as a Jedi except...Spider-Man has reflexes 15X greater than a human being and he can lift a car (approximately 10 tons according to Marvel Universe handbooks ). It isn't a question of can Spider-Man beat a Jedi, it's how many Jedi can he beat before one of the Jedi get lucky. Spider-man wins. Whether the force is with you or not. Your love of Star Wars is admirable though :)

The Exchange

The main problem is that Spiderman has an advantage in strenght, but is lacking in the mentality department. He's just a teenager, and is very impatient. The Jedi also has a technology advantage. Where Spiderman has his webbing, it doesn't do anything to a lightsaber.

Spiderman has Strength, reflexes, and just a physical supperiority.

The Jedi has this mentality made purely of discapline.

But the real thing that we have to keep in mind is very important: Spiderman has a name. It's just a Jedi. It's not Anakin, or Mace Windoo, or Yoda. It's just a Jedi.


Spidy also has more movement options.


I'd say the Jedi, although Spiderman has the advantage of being able to escape very easily should things get hairy.

Assuming a mano-a-mano duel to the death, though, the Jedi would have the upper hand, being able to intervene with Spidy's movements and maneuvers from distance with the Force, and considering his opponent has nothing more than evasion to contest his light sabre.

The only scenario I can think Spiderman would win is if he can tangle up the Jedi tight enough for him to be unable to cut through with his sabre or the Force, but since these guys can easily dodge bullets, I think it would be very unlikely to happen.

Liberty's Edge

Spiderman and Jedi meet. Jedi chokes him to death with his mind.

Game. Over.

The Exchange

I love threads like these. It lets me say what I want to say without people interupting me.

Important information, though. Who gets the first strike? If Spidy sees the Jedi, and strikes him first, then say goodbye to the Jedi. S/he'd be too tangled to react.

Now, if the Jedi were to strike first, then Spidy would probably be allowed to live to fight another day. If you think about it, most enemies of the Jedi simply loose their arm, then the fight ends.

EDIT: Don't forget, the choking isn't immediate, and Spidy has gotten out of the choke hold before without much trouble. A quick web to the face and most enemies try to get it off first, then finish off the enemy.


Probably the jedi - spideys super power over the years has gone from the agreed upon spider powers to wish fulfillment on the part of the author. Superhuman strength aside, the jedis telekinesis along with force choke give them a a definite advantage so long as the jedi doesn't make it a slugfest. Even then, spideys not striking to kill exactly, so once the jedi realizes how physically powerful he is, he's going y go with the good old alter and control power combo.


Wonder what the range of a force choke is...

If you can lift 10 tonnes I imagine you can throw engine blocks like baseballs.

Sadly all that power/torque/force is harnessed by an overriding moral code that restricts him from using it.

The Exchange

Well, since we said Jedi and not Sith, we are assuming that this is a scenerio that they have to kill each other. I mean, Spidy and the Jedi are generally good guys.


Depends on the jedi. If we say that Jango Fett or General Grevious can beat a normal jedi than so can spiderman. Who are the closest matchups for each universe.


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Spider man easily.

Jedi are a stupid concept and should be removed from all games.
Lucas even made the lightsaber non-cool. Star Wars is crap.

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It is interesting how pervasive the "first" 3 movies have become considering how up in arms the Star Wars fans were when they came out. I accept that budget and CGI made Jedis in New Hope, Empire and Return much less badass than they became in the later/earlier movies. When we think of a Jedi's abilities we are thinking of the latest 3 movies...other than the choke of course. Vader's choke (that's Darth, not Chad) is wonderful.

p.s. I do have this image of Spiderman swinging to the top of a building and just hucking pieces of building down at the Jedi until the Jedi gets fatigued. Endurance-wise I think Spidey would have the edge in making it a gritty grind.


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Spidey. Don't forget that wonderful brain of his. He routinely deals with foes that are stronger faster, tougher, and more powerful than he is by out thinking them. IE, he's seen enough laser swords in his day to recognize an electromagentic containment field and lure his foes to an MRI machine or something to disrupt it.

Jedi are morons when it comes to using their power.

I mean seriously, The emperor has what level of power? The shockers? He's the guy they use when spideys biggest problem is having to beat someone or be late to homeroom.


Neither. The fight happens like the Holmes/Moriarty fight in the last movie, with spider-sense and Jedi precognition going head-to-head in a duel.

Whichever one wins the duel of precognition will probably win, but odds on both will quickly work out that the other can seriously mess them up even if they win...

Assuming that both the Jedi and our friendly neighborhood spiderman have a compelling reason to fight despite the risk then I think that spiderman would have a slight advantage. Just.

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Yeah, this isn't even a named Jedi. So narratively Spider-Man has the advantage.


DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
Yeah, this isn't even a named Jedi. So narratively Spider-Man has the advantage.

Make it a named knight if that is what changes your opinion :)

...or if easier...

Make it any random superhero bitten by a radioactive spider and has the same powers as Spiderman.


If each side has all the tools at their disposal I am sure that Spidey could call in some favours from a fairly impressive array of super heroes.

The jedi aims the Deathstar ("that's no moon!") and turns the earth into chunky salsa. As the Tick would say, "That's where I keep my stuff!", which makes the fight a tad harder to continue without spacesuits.

Shadow Lodge

The average Jedi can be slaughtered by a mentally deficient clone. Spider-man doesn't just defeat the Jedi, Spidey defeats the entire Force.


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Spidey is not a teenager. He was 16 in 1963, fer chrissake!

That aside, I see them fighting a very badass fight, testing one another, and finding that the other is quite dangerous and skilled. However, when the jedi force-chokes Spidey, he lets him go before killing him. When Spidey happens to have the option to smash a 50-ton water tower on jedi's head, he doesn't. Sure, they can't talk to one another, but try. Spidey detects strange-language-speaking honourable alien, and runs off to fetch a languageinator from mister Fantastic.

They then sip some cola together on a café somewhere, discussing their respective worlds, and how neither of them ever have any luck, before Spidey remembers he is late for a date somewhere and has to run off.

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* this isn't the thread you're looking for *

And that's how it would go down. Spidey got nothing on mind control.

Shadow Lodge

Except he isn't fighting Obi Wan or Yoda. He's fighting a generic Jedi. And the powers of a generic Jedi involve waving around a lightsabre and then dying.

Kinda like how Boba Fett has such a badass reputation, but his actual contribution to the films largely consists of falling into a hole.

Shadow Lodge

FuelDrop wrote:
...with spider-sense and Jedi precognition going head-to-head in a duel.

Jedi precognition sucks balls. If it was anywhere near equal to Spidey-levels, then more than a handful of Jedi would have survived when a bunch of lobotomized clones were sent after them.


Spiderman vs. random no-name jedi? Spiderman, no contest (seriously, random no-name jedi are pretty crap).

Spiderman vs. specific heroic jedi character (like Anakin, Obi-Wan, etc.) eh... who's the writer? :p

Liberty's Edge

Well, are we taking the prequel movies into account, or just the original three? I'm going to assume the original three because it wasn't clarified in the OP. Now, there are only four Jedi available for this fight: Luke and Yoda. (The Emperor and Vader are Sith Lords, not Jedi, even though they, too, can use the force.)

ANH Luke isn't a Jedi yet, so he doesn't count.
ESB Luke would lose.
RotJ Luke would win.
Yoda would dominate.


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HangarFlying wrote:

Well, are we taking the prequel movies into account, or just the original three? I'm going to assume the original three because it wasn't clarified in the OP. Now, there are only four Jedi available for this fight: Luke and Yoda. (The Emperor and Vader are Sith Lords, not Jedi, even though they, too, can use the force.)

ANH Luke isn't a Jedi yet, so he doesn't count.
ESB Luke would lose.
RotJ Luke would win.
Yoda would dominate.

Even though he does not survie the first movie, Kenobi counts.


Charlie Bell wrote:

* this isn't the thread you're looking for *

And that's how it would go down. Spidey got nothing on mind control.

Come on, that trick wouldn't work on a third rate used car dealer from the back end of nowhere, you think its going to work on a quick witted genius ?

In fact that trick NEVER works when it would advance the plot. Since the fight IS the plot, it wouldn't work.

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