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"O for a Muse of fire, that would ascend
The brightest heaven of invention,
A kingdom for a stage, princes to act
And monarchs to behold the swelling scene!"
Its been playing on my mind of late as a GM that we all have books with stuff that will never be used, the mage high level stuff.
I asked myself some "what if's?" and "hows?"
What if a group of players could play 40th level PCs?
Such Players would be well beyond Epic at the Demi God level
So why not play it like that, Demi-gods looking to get that fall godhood stamp. One more level and its full got time. A place in the havens and worshipers to power you. Joy o joy, but there is a problem the gods are at war, a slot is now open and you aim to fill it.
But who are you, what kind of faith are you trying to get started, where is your base of operation, who are your flock in a world at war above and bellow the lands.
What if you could be ANY race 3ed party and all, and number of classes that add up to 40.
So I was thinking,
All players of said game must make a PC and the mean underlings they have + there base of operation, for Faith and God-ness you need followers, temples and such. You will have to used all that gold you get at 40th to pay for the lot.
then its down to the GM and other players to see what he can do that's fun to mess up your plans of becoming a good, wile still fighting in a war.
All players will get a Higher god as a patron, so think gods and aliments, you may be a half good offspring a an under Demon. They make ask you to fight on there side in the god war.
well let me know what you think.
Yowser. 40th level is insane! I am playing in a 25th level epic game and I thought that was pretty high.
I have always wanted to play a silver dragon in a game such as this. I will throw together a crunch and see what I come up with. Should be sometime over the weekend if I don't get to it sooner.
Hehe, This could be interesting. I have a character in mind that would be pretty intense to play. I'll keep this on my watch list and crunch over the weekend. Whether we do this or not, the idea coming together is pretty cool
This is why I use Hero Lab. Much easier to do.
Even with herolab it sounds pretty crazy. Still dotted for interest.
I played a level 40 game once in AD&D. It was insane and full of giant balls of AWESOME! I played a Psion 20 /Rogue 20. We were avatars of gods and had to take semi-mortal form to accomplish something.
First thing that happened was we walked into a small town and just from the sight of us people went running. It was good fun.
You can count me in! Of course before I started spending the kind of time necessary to develop that type of character, I would want some assurance that my basic concept was accepted for a game. A 40th level character is quite an investment.
Exactly.
Magic combination of choice: WIzard (conjurer teleport) Sorcerer (undecided, but celestial looks fun).
Non-Magic combo of choice: Ninja 20 / Ranger 20. ;-)
Ohh,
Wizard (conjuration teleport) 20 / Summoner 20 (any of the 3 packages would be awesome)
You can count me in! Of course before I started spending the kind of time necessary to develop that type of character, I would want some assurance that my basic concept was accepted for a game. A 40th level character is quite an investment.
So Spugley, how are we going to do this? Fnord is right. If we are going to make a character we need to know if we are accepted before we go into any major crunch. I can do basic stuff (which is what I planned with Hero Lab) but any items and other gear I am not doing. 25th level was involved enough as it was.
I'm in, I want to play an epic level warrior of some kind, maybe a barbarian.
I'm thinking a half-orc scion of a deity worshiped by orcs. He fought his way to the top, eventually conquering his full orc brethern and establishing a kingdom. However, this wasn't enough for him. He wanted to defeat his divine sire and take his place. For unlike his scion, he was good-hearted and wanted to stop the wars between orcs and humans.
Thus he swore allegiance to a like-minded deity, who could help him unlock the divine potential latent within him and become a true demigod.
Could I possibly use the Godling, from Super Genius Games? I'm thinking either the prestige class, or the Mighty Godling, in addition to barbarian levels. I'm thinking of taking either the Titan Mauler or Hateful Rager archetypes.
I am dotting this for interest. This sounds like a real challenge, and I wouldn't mind giving it a shot on HeroLab personally. I'll do some crunch in the next couple of days and create an alias for it. BTW, how much gold would a 40th level PC have to play with anyway?
Gonna withdraw my interest. 40th is a little too much for me.
What method of generating ability scores?
I might be interested, but it will take an assload of time to make a 40th level pc. I'm pretty sure I could make a synthesist summoner 20/adept godling 20 that's pretty much invincible. How are you gonna handle combats?
I'm wondering if I could buy one of the books that add inherent bonuses to ability scores and say my character used it before the game began.
While I am thinking about it, it sounds like we would eventually need the Stonghold book from 3rd ed to build our "Come to Jesus" temple. I still like the idea, but this will definitely take some time to work out. Any timeline yet on when (or if) this game might start up?
About this:
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What if you could be ANY race 3ed party and all, and number of classes that add up to 40.
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1.) Does that mean any 3ed material?
2.) Third party?
3.) 3.5 or just 3rd?
4.) Does it include campaign setting supplements (such as Eberron and FR books, others, limited to the 3ed or 3.5 edition info for those settings, etc.) for use for classes, feats, and equipment?
5. I assume it includes use of epic material which is 3.0, IIRC. I think there might be errata updating that to 3.5, would that be used?
6. Choose our own higher god patron?
I'm interested but have lots of questions.
Note: I prefer the race write-ups from PFRPG over those in 3.0 and 3.5 but I will work with what is given to work with
I know Spugly IRL, and I'm pretty sure he means all third party stuff that's on d20pfsrd.com. Not third or 3.5 edition material. However he can certainly correct me if I'm wrong.
Here's a silly question: if we are throwing caution to the wind on this one, can we gestalt the classes? i.e. 20th lvl rogue/magus, 20th lvl fighter/monk? I can imagine how crazy that would be, but it would be in the spirit of some of the old TSR "epic" NPC's, like Elminster or Drizzt.
I know Spugly IRL, and I'm pretty sure he means all third party stuff that's on d20pfsrd.com. Not third or 3.5 edition material. However he can certainly correct me if I'm wrong.
yayyyy!
I hope he means all PFRPG (paizo plus 3rd party) stuff on the d20pfsrd!
I would make a Bard 20/Rogue 20 not sure of the archetypes, but the ultimate Face basically.
Would be outmatched in a straight fight against these other types, but he wouldn't play fair of course.
If the pc gains leadership at an early level, what level would the cohort be?
If the pc gains leadership at an early level, what level would the cohort be?
Unless you have an insanely low charisma, your Cohort would probably be 2 lvls lower than you.Though, I would think that considering the lvl, that feat would have to be nerfed considering that the chart for determining said lvls is not sufficiently high and anything beyond would be GM approval.
I think my concept will be a half-celestial mature adult silver dragon with the celestial template and 20 levels of sorcerer with the arcane bloodline.
I am beginning work on a basic outline of the backstory.
Question: will we be against the other players? While I understand that this is a unique kind of game I will state that I really don't like pvp.
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I propose Madame Kirustinu, a druid/sorceress Half-Orc of Fey origin.
She is a healer and the founder of the Bre-ayne people. Now that they have learned as much as they can from her and gotten their start, having founded a race of benevolent Orc druids, she seeks the next thing to solve. She has established the Bre-ayne law and instructed her people in every medical art and spell she knows, and gotten them well on the path to mystic union with Gaia. Now with her brother (and top assistant) taking over her role as Prime Minister and leader of the people, Kirustinu seeks to protect her people from mystic threat, as well as to invite all druids, of any race to the Bre-ayne island.
In short: The Bre-ayne are Orcs and Half-Orcs, though people of every race are found. They are primarily druids, of Neutral/Good alignment, and have no interest in conquering anyone. Instead, they wish to become the masters of divine magic and seek mystic union with Gaia herself. Why bother with the gods when you can look to the earth herself, the very mother of the gods? Any Orc or Half-Orc who wishes to renounce barbarian savagery in favor of a new way of life is welcome, as is any druid of any race who seeks to escape religious persecution.
(Druids replace clerics in the offices clerics assume, any alignment with neutral in it is allowed, though neutral/evil tends to leave.)
The Bre-ayne live on a secluded island, the location of which is protected by magic and mist. The Bre-ayne depend upon keeping their existance a secret, as well as their island's location, for their survival.
Half-Orcs are quite common, because, as where in the typical world Half-Orcs are seldom the result of loving unions, on the Bre-ayne Island, this is not true. They're not pacifists, but they redirect their aggressive tendencies in the ranger, paladin, and monk paths, and with nationalized sports. Education and knowledge, especially about natural science, medicine, and druidic magic, are highly prized.
I'm thinking a super monk would be fun. Monk5/Brother of the Seal10/Lore Warden 15/Living Monolith 10. Very melee oriented, but they ironically all mix together well for story background.
some grate questions and feed back guys thanks.
On thing that has come up is guys not having the free cash to get all the books so I will put a limit on this to be fair.
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Free use Hero lab
www.d20pfsrd.com
Paizo Pathfinder books.
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3.5 sorry just a pain to convert.
Any other 3ed party stuff not in or on the above.
saying that how dos this sound.
You can make your own race - 41 point spend.,
You can play any race that can be played as a PC.
Any class in whats in above.
On the game, you HAVE to be based on the same Prime,
Im going multi-planes on this so, your prime is linked to
other planes like the hells , so you can come "from" other backgrounds just not be in your original plane now. Your all based on the same plane, and note being from the hells means your under the thump from the rulers of the Hells, last thing they want is competition, so it may be best to start an unknown from the beginning.
Your mortal or once mortal beings looking to become gods, to do that you need follows and daring deeds in fighting others like yourself you need to build a reputation and a following, gods need faith to power them etc.
The world has a pool of god-want-to-be's gods and powerful none god beings and the real gods like to thin the ranks of such from time to time, thats why they have let it be known that there may be a number of openings for new gods to fill the ranks of the fallen.
Fallen gods, well yes, there has been god war for over 2000 years, The great god Pantheons have been fighting each other. Some good v bad some North or Jungle, some Elf v human gods and so on, So your making not just yourself a god but other to work with you to make a new Pantheon.
You will need all nine Aliments so, Nine players one form each.
making a PC, well hold on that for a wile, just outlines for now.
40th level will take weeks if you macro it,
So saying that
You will all have to take leadership but follows will be done in a simpler way, rolling a main PC and 100s of others is nuts so we will have to work some thing out.
I say we because this idea will only work with the help of the players.
if this level sounds to much for you please feel free to look on, there is no rush. I will be lucky to get nine players to play this so, we will be starting with less if it looks like this may actually work.
just thought would it not be cool to say, "hay I one played in a 40th level game hehe or in my case GMed one." And yes in RL DM Jelani and me are mates, so hes my sanity back up, his calls on rules are good so he will I know keep me start on things.
well let me know what ya think
Spugs.
The alignment of my dragon will be neutral good. Probably a champion of their patron.
I'm gonna go with a neutral creature, could be true neutral or neutral good or neutral evil. He will apparently be a half-orc, but not really. Strongly associated with half-orcs in particular and half-breeds in general, this character will be an incarnation of creation and discovery.
Eldritch Godling 20/Alchemist (oenopian researcher and vivisectionist archetypes) 20 Most likely an apparent half-orc that would be a ARG creation.
The long godwar had left destruction everywhere.
Chaos ruled. Amidst the destruction, some orc tribes whose patron had been destroyed were transported into the jungles (or thick woods, etc.) near some human tribes. Far from home and in a dangerous environment with no help from the divine, they appeared to be destined for destruction.
But, their mad alchemist acting as priestess had the "sight" and sought a way to save them and grow her power. She found a site of power, though she did not know the source of the power, and there she arranged to have herself impregnated by one of the human warriors, whose life she took as he finished with her. But, she underestimated the power within the site. It was the resting place of a long deceased, great Star God whose power had bled into the ground.
Her son's birth was an incarnation of creation as the Star God's divine spark was reborn in him. Her gestation lasted only minutes and he was born fully grown and flooded with a multitude of memories. His birth caused her death and then she passed the afterbirth. This was no normal placenta but rather was filled with a multitude of items of power which had been formed by the powerful forces of creation surging through her from the dead Star God.
The newborn Mkembe then took to his feet and surveyed his surroundings. He then gathered many ingredients from the site as well as powerful creation ingredients from his mother's body and left. Afterward, he began consolidating the tribes and looking to the future while perfecting his talents of creation and searching the world and heavens.
Note 1: without actually being more powerful, Mkembe can easily be the creation source for any other characters and without holding any power over them. It would be in his nature to engage in unfettered creation. :D
Note 2 with question: The Genius Guide to the Godling Ascendant gives some more options but is not a part of the d20pfsrd. The Genius Guide to the Mystic Godling gives extra options for the Genius Guide to the Mighty Godling (which was released first) but the extras for the mystic godlings are in the Godling Ascendant, not part of the d20pfsrd. Could I use those options? They also reword and lessen some options/feats from the previous books. Could I make use of that pdf?
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Coming up for a cool concept for 40th level is going to be tricky.
I think I may go Tiefling Alchemist 20/ Ranger 10 /Horizon walker 10
Possible alternate build for the same general concept : Tiefling alchemist 5/ Sor 1/ Dragon Disciple 10/ Ranger 10/ Horizon walker 10/ Fighter 4
Tiefling for tail
Alchemist for extra limbs (maybe wings)
Ranger for two weapon fighting
Horzon walker for fun abilities.
He'll be a dervishing TWF monster.
Sound interesting enough to be included?
I'm thinking lawful good. My drow noble received visions centuries ago about a coming god war, and that the drow were a key part of things, but only if they as a race (there are exceptions to everything) are brought into the fold as a good, honorable people, as they once were eons ago when they inhabited the same space as the other elves.
It will take some time to crunch, as you said. But I do have a couple of questions:
Thanks in advance for thinking this up. I am actually pretty psyched about this and I am looking forward to trying out for a slot, should things progress.
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I'm not sure I can build a 40th level character on hero builder. Granted I just downloaded it, but I'm having a bit of a learning curve.
Pitching in. CN-CG-NG Patroness of Inspiration, Prophecy, Perception, Secrets, The Addicted, The Poor, Prostitutes...
Saint Teresa of the Stones was a seeress, in a time and place when and where such was unwelcome, and unhealthy. To fill her eyes and ears against the whispered words and visions of the Gods, Teresa turned to herbs and alchemy, and in the way of such things, found herself less important to herself than her next vial. Trading in flesh for the costs of the powders, tormented by the diminished, but unended otherworldly whispers, Teresa soon ran afoul of local powers. Some whores trade in secrets, some more than in flesh, and suspicion grows when one knows, unbidden, things untold. Surely, it was said, she must trade for those secrets. Surely, she must tell what she knows. Truely (or at least, it is part of her canon...) she never did. She had no need to trade for secrets, the Gods tormented her with them, unasked, unwished-for, unending. But suspicions grew. Everyone has secrets, and many thought her in possession of theirs. And eventually, some were worth killing for.
A poor whore, a single mother, a taster of poisons, rumoured a lesbian, a thief, a blackmailer... One night, a crowd grew, whispers turned to shouts, and stones flew. The pain drove the veil of the drugs off her mind, and her seeress' powers carried every shout, heard every whisper, read in every stone the story of the hand that cast it. And she found she could not hate them, in their fear, their confusion, striking out, making what change they could, using what power they had, in their own hopelessness. She did not cry out to them to stop, but to continue, and as she saw more fragments of the pains around her, as more stones brought her pain, and death, and insight, she had her final Revelation. She finally roared out, to the Gods themselves, "You Court! Up in the Sky! You Court, up in the clouds! Is there something you forgot to tell me?! Tell me! Tell me! TELL ME!!" And a final stone fell. And Teresa died.
The hate of the crowd vanished, replaced with sorrow, and guilt, and regret. One there remembered Teresa had called for stones, and more were brought, and her body covered. Her story, of her forgiveness of her killers, of the kindnesses remembered after her death, of her grace amid her own degradation, spread slowly at first, but caught like fire among famined leaves. When a ruler ordered the stones that had been piled over her, now a huge mound, moved, and her body hidden, no body was found, and her legend grew. Witches, Oracles, and yes, fakirs and charlatans, began to speak of her as a Patroness, and then, as a Power. Is there truth to the rumour that Clerics have found Power in prayer to her, now?
Every stone a story, like a rosary...
I'm thinking at going for a goddess of beauty and fertility. Alignment wise, probably Neutral. She'd have darker aspects in the fact that life requires death to fuel it, and that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Of course most people see beauty, fertility as good things. So it balances out to Neutral I suppose.
She'd be that kind of ultra beautiful woman who is attended 24/7 by nude, oiled perfect looking people and sits on a throne made of big beefy man thralls kneeling down and gripping each other. Palace made of flowers and glass floating on a rainbow etc. The details definitely need fleshing out.
Race wise I would go custom, not sure what yet. Likely some sort of fey.
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LN slot
As I have played as a god before and continuing that character actually makes sense because of what happened, so I am pitching in to take up the LN slot as a Drow Noble Weretiger (actually used to have god rank but because of the events that occured in that game her divine rank was sacrificed to end the threat and now seeks to rebuild what she had)
Question, are you capping classes at lvl 20 or are you continuing the implied progressions? And do we take any lvl loss from race choice?
Well, Maybe I might go custom race instead if I come up with something I like but most likely the above.
I'm just gonna drop out so I don't spend too much time on ideas. :D
Based on the build that I'm looking at, I'm looking at LN Supported by Irori. Going for The Realms of Knowledge and Strength, Hence, most followers would be Monks, Lore Wardens, and Those willing to go to great lengths to acquire Knowledge, for knowledge is power but only to he who knows how to wield it properly. While most of his temples would contain vast libraries and practice arenas open to the public there are also rooms restricted to only devout followers with further knowledge and even they wouldn't be allowed in some of the rooms reserved only for The High Priest of the Temple.
Well that could be a problem. So we have two looking at LN.
I can Go LG I just dont feel like being branded as the Goodie Goodie. I would honestly prefer to go with CN or CG and go with acquiring knowledge for the greater good regardless of what others think, but, if I go with the Brother of the Seal Prestige (Whos organization basically personify this) I have to be a monk and Lawful.... Kind of dumb I think but then Again, I could write in about becoming disillusioned with the "lawful" codes of men and and go by a higher law (thus by human standards I would be CG, but by the standards of various gods, I would still be Lawful, at least to them) I dont know though, any thoughts?