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As a GM I’m attacking with a standard giant eagle (Str 18, Flyby Attack, CMB +9, CMD 22 & Fly +8). My intent is to fly down, grapple PC (elf wizard CMB +1; CMD 12 that weighs 150lb wet with all her gear).
I think it goes like this:
Eagle fly’s down (80’ movement), grapples the elf wizard (grapple check against wizards CMD) and on success giant eagle will carry elf wizard 40’ away @ less than 45 degree angle or 20’ away at greater than 45 degree angle – due to weight of elf wizard. Because the giant eagle is taking the elf wizard into a hazardous situation, the air, prior to being lifted away the elf wizard gets an opposed grapple check (against giant eagle’s CMD) to break free. Failure means the elf wizard is carried away.
Sound about right…
Sounds about right though you are missing the 2nd grapple attempt by the eagle on the second round and the movement is half while trying to move someone with a grapple (so you'd be looking at slower movement than you have listed, probably about 1/4 normal movement)
1st round: Swoop down (move), Grapple (standard)
2nd round: Maintain grapple (standard), Fly (movement *1/2 as per Move in Grapple*), Elf's free action to escape the dangerous situation (but the Eagle gets a +5 on its check for maintaining the grapple).
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Wait I don't think that is right...
I need to make a 2nd grapple check on round two to move (so no fly by grapple) the elf wizard 1/2 the giant eagles speed. But is my move just reduced by 10' or 1/2 for flying under medium encumbrance.
So would my giant eagle's move be 35' or 20? Flying medium encumbrance and grappling...
What isn't right?
If you had Flyby Attack you could do it in one round if you were close enough at the beginning of combat.
For movement you would figure out what movement became with total weight, you said 40', going with that Grapple -> Move states you can only move at 1/2 speed, which would be 20'.
You have to do a Grapple check every time you want to move your target. Last sentence on the first paragraph of Grapple:
Once you are grappling an opponent, a successful check allows you to continue grappling the foe, and also allows you to perform one of the following actions (as part of the standard action spent to maintain the grapple).
One of those options is to Move (first one listed on the PFSRD). So the first round, you initiate the grapple. Second round, you maintain the grapple and move, but because you are putting them in a hazardous situation, they get a +4 to break free.
So, either way the first round is spent starting the grapple. The next round you can maintain the grapple and if successful, you can move half your speed.
An eagle's speed is 80, half is 40. If he wants to climb at a 45 degree angle, that gets reduced to 20' lateral and 20' elevation.
Since you have to use a standard action to move them at all, you can't use a move action to do it.
Irontruth: The eagle won't be moving at 80, the elf will be pushing encumbrance over light.
EDIT: Medium encumbrance is 55' for base 80', so half movement is 25' (less what is spent on getting elevation).
Yes, but that isn't my major point. You can't grapple, then next round maintain (move) + move. You also can't move the round you initiate the grapple, because that can only be done on a maintain.
I'm sure that with Flyby Attack it could be done in one round.
Yes, but that isn't my major point. You can't grapple, then next round maintain (move) + move. You also can't move the round you initiate the grapple, because that can only be done on a maintain.
Actually you could if you had the greater grapple or whatever it is (grapple as move action).
I'm sure that with Flyby Attack it could be done in one round.
Flyby Attack doesn't have anything in the benefit portion about moving a grappled foe, does it?
Moving someone you've grappled is specifically covered in the grapple rules, so you need to have something that lets you violate that.
@Skylancer4
Most monsters don't have Greater Grapple, because they don't have Improved Unarmed Strike.
But saying it can't be done when it can be is what I was trying to point out. This is the rules forum, I'm providing the rules in which an action in question could be completed.