Jiggy RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 |
TetsujinOni |
In-character, I'd still not trust that until I'd seen you consistently spot things with that apparently epic three-second-glance. ;)
Admittedly, I consider eyes of the eagle / goggles of minute seeing to be 'required' purchases for trapsmith characters, so the trapspotting to trap-resolution requires a couple rounds of gear swapping and the usual disarm time, but...
I do love Urban Ranger for trapsmith characters. The fact that EotE also helps in any other circumstance where I'm spotting stuff... Well, that's just the point of them, and the trapspotting is gravy. But it's tasty gravy.
JCServant |
My Trap Guy takes 10 on his searches. At level 8, that's a 31 without doing "this place seems trap-laden" gearing. He's pretty confident in his trapfinding so far.
Yeah...seems that if you got a rogue with trapfinding, that it would be a rare trap indeed that would escape yer notice. Kinda makes traps feel useless sometimes.
TetsujinOni |
Quote:My Trap Guy takes 10 on his searches. At level 8, that's a 31 without doing "this place seems trap-laden" gearing. He's pretty confident in his trapfinding so far.Yeah...seems that if you got a rogue with trapfinding, that it would be a rare trap indeed that would escape yer notice. Kinda makes traps feel useless sometimes.
Urban Ranger (ranged, animal companion axebeak). Better package than rogue for PFS, IMO.
JCServant |
Well, on the bright side...if they do fail, they basically just end up having to purchase the scroll, which aren't usually TOO expensive. With that being said, it does seem easy enough to put enough points into Spellcraft to where you always make the check with Take 10 (Unless you get a level 6 spell when you're level 1). As people pointed out above, I will make sure my players know about take 10 for this type of thing moving forward...it's really a no brainer.
Matthew Pittard |
Having just read the core rulebook, does Pathfinder Society not use the rule that you have to be able to understand the arcane script used on the scroll/spellbook first? I believe its actually DC20+spell level to decipher the arcane text and then DC15+spell level to actually copy the scroll.
Or am I reading the rules wrong?
Dust Raven |
Having just read the core rulebook, does Pathfinder Society not use the rule that you have to be able to understand the arcane script used on the scroll/spellbook first? I believe its actually DC20+spell level to decipher the arcane text and then DC15+spell level to actually copy the scroll.
Or am I reading the rules wrong?
I use Read Magic for that.
TetsujinOni |
If you have the owner of the spellbook on hand to cooperate, you automatically succeed in the decipher check, so only need the learn check.
To decipher an arcane magical writing (such as a single spell in another's spellbook or on a scroll), a character must make a Spellcraft check (DC 20 + the spell's level). If the skill check fails, the character cannot attempt to read that particular spell again until the next day. A read magic spell automatically deciphers magical writing without a skill check. If the person who created the magical writing is on hand to help the reader, success is also automatic.
Sean H |
Matthew Pittard wrote:I use Read Magic for that.Having just read the core rulebook, does Pathfinder Society not use the rule that you have to be able to understand the arcane script used on the scroll/spellbook first? I believe its actually DC20+spell level to decipher the arcane text and then DC15+spell level to actually copy the scroll.
Or am I reading the rules wrong?
That's the best way to do it. There is no reason not to have that cantrip prepped:
You can decipher magical inscriptions on objects - books, scrolls, weapons, and the like - that would otherwise be unintelligible.
Need to learn a spell? Read Magic. Want to that what's on that scroll? Read Magic. Does that sword have some funny runes on it? Read Magic. Someone cast a symbol somewhere, and you want to know what it means? Read Magic.
Akeela Valerian, the Wolf |
I am not sure what you do when you have a Wizard/Alchemist/Magus and a Witch at the table and you recover a spell scroll that both can use. Only one can use it - which should then mean the other could not. If a Wizard copies the spell to his book, the witch can't "feed" it to her familiar... How is this resolved? This corner case has not appeared in a game I have judged... yet. But it is sure to come up at some point.
Would you as a GM allow Character A to copy from a found scroll to their spell book, and then Character B copy from Character A's spell book to their own? I don't see a problem with it. Just need to be sure the wizard copies before the alchemist.
nosig |
nosig wrote:Would you as a GM allow Character A to copy from a found scroll to their spell book, and then Character B copy from Character A's spell book to their own? I don't see a problem with it. Just need to be sure the wizard copies before the alchemist.
I am not sure what you do when you have a Wizard/Alchemist/Magus and a Witch at the table and you recover a spell scroll that both can use. Only one can use it - which should then mean the other could not. If a Wizard copies the spell to his book, the witch can't "feed" it to her familiar... How is this resolved? This corner case has not appeared in a game I have judged... yet. But it is sure to come up at some point.
Sure - that's fine. Anyone think it's not?
nosig |
I do kind of wonder if someone has a Witch/wizard... can they copy spells from one class to the other?
say they know the spell Protection from Evil as a witch...
can they scribe it in their book as a wizard?
Sniggevert |
Can you clarify your last post, nosig. I have no idea what you are talking about but might have an answer if I did.
A witch's spellbook is their familiar. They prepare spells by communing with the familiar itself. The spells aren't written down anywhere.
That was the issue with the scroll question he was asking above. Once the wizard/alchemist scribe the spell into their spell/formulae book, there is no longer any scroll for the witch to tear up and feed their familiar (how they add spells to their "book").
My take is no. There is no real way for another class (other than witch) to learn spells that a witch knows. In the case of another witch, I believe the familiars can communicate and swap spells that way, but I maybe remembering even that incorrectly.
nosig |
Sure! I'll try. Sorry if I garble it badly...
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a 2nd level PC, who has one level of witch, and one level wizard.
He has a Familiar as the witch which holds spells for him to prepare. One of those is Prot. From Evil. He prepares this spell into one of his Witch 1st level spell slots. He now has (in memory) an arcane spell, Prot. From Evil.
He pulls out his Wizard spell book. Can he scribe the arcane spell Prot. From Evil from the Witch 1st level spell slot in his memory, to his Wizard spell book?
Eric Clingenpeel Venture-Captain, Michigan—Mt. Pleasant |
I don't see why not.
A wizard can use the procedure for learning a spell to
r e construct a lost spellbook. If he already has a p a rticular
spell prepared, he can write it directly into a new book at
the same cost required to write a spell into a spellbook.
The process wipes the prepared spell from his mind, just
as casting it would. If he does not have the spell prepared,
he can prepare it from a borrowed spellbook and then
write it into a new book.
Duplicating an existing spellbook uses the same
procedure as replacing it, but the task is much easier. The
time requirement and cost per spell are halved.
Since you can prepare it from a borrowed spellbook, I don't see why could couldn't do it from your familiar.
Sniggevert |
I agree with Eric on this. My above post was assuming 2 separate characters interacting, not 1 character with 2 classes.
Moving a witch spell to a spellbook should be doable as Eric mentioned. Going the other way though...not so sure, unless you feed the book to the cat, unless the cat can learn from your mind.
Wraith235 |
sveden |
Sure! I'll try. Sorry if I garble it badly...
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a 2nd level PC, who has one level of witch, and one level wizard.He has a Familiar as the witch which holds spells for him to prepare. One of those is Prot. From Evil. He prepares this spell into one of his Witch 1st level spell slots. He now has (in memory) an arcane spell, Prot. From Evil.
He pulls out his Wizard spell book. Can he scribe the arcane spell Prot. From Evil from the Witch 1st level spell slot in his memory, to his Wizard spell book?
No.
sveden |
sveden wrote:Sniggevert wrote:Thanks Snigglevert but the reason I asked Nosig is because he was the one who posted the question.There's no 'l'.
And sorry for trying to help out. My bad.
Sorry for throwing an "L" into your name, not intentional.
Thanks for the apology, tis appreciated.
nosig |
I don't see why not.
CRB wrote:Since you can prepare it from a borrowed spellbook, I don't see why could couldn't do it from your familiar.A wizard can use the procedure for learning a spell to
r e construct a lost spellbook. If he already has a p a rticular
spell prepared, he can write it directly into a new book at
the same cost required to write a spell into a spellbook.
The process wipes the prepared spell from his mind, just
as casting it would. If he does not have the spell prepared,
he can prepare it from a borrowed spellbook and then
write it into a new book.
Duplicating an existing spellbook uses the same
procedure as replacing it, but the task is much easier. The
time requirement and cost per spell are halved.
Because some judges say "no"?