Half what?

[Kydeem de'Morcaine]

Start with half-orc
+2 to dex
low light vision instead of darkvision
less ugly and stocky than most half-orcs
done

[Darth Grall]

bookrat wrote:

Heh. You're entire race and racial characteristics are determined by a single genotype. Creationism is true and the gods keep it simple. :)

Well yeah... Cause honestly, DND genetics make no sense. I mean, if you can breed and have offspring that can breed you need the same amount of chromosomes to produce a "stable" off spring(or at least produce an even number so they can pai). And since those children are capable of reproducing with the parent's species back up through both parent's species, presumably they all have to have the same number. The best probably solution is that they are all different sub-species of human but then there are some that are infered not to be able to breed(orc-elf).

So yeah, like Gender, I've abstracted it to a single geneotype. Cause honestly it does make as much sense as a God/Wizard did it. Plus, assuming your make up was in fact more diverse, you'd still average out across the billions/trillions(not sure which, again high school) of Alleles to hit 50% of each half for the half elf and all the orc so... Yeah.

[Weirdo]

Chuck Wright wrote:

Well, if we're going to look at the real world for this we should stick to Hominids. There is ample genetic evidence that Homo Sapiens (Cro-Magnons) and Homo Neanderthalensis (Neanderthals) interbred and had viable children. There is a question of fertility as modern genetics shows that we do not have any neanderthal DNA in our genetic code.

That's a bit off, I'm afraid. The reason that we know humans and Neanderthals interbred is because we have found Neanderthal DNA in our human genetic code; the Neanderthal DNA in humans constitutes the evidence of their interbreeding.

Source - National Geographic

[Lord Twitchiopolis]

Why are we arguing genetics when there is magic in the freakin world? I mean, look at The Demon Mother's Mask(Gods and Magic). I KNOW the things that it lets you interbreed with do NOT have the same number of chromosomes.

To address the actual question:

Assuming that you approve of this character concept and are ok with a half-orc-elf-thing, chapter 4 of the Advanced Race Guide is where you want to start.

[bookrat]

Lord Twitchiopolis wrote:

Why are we arguing genetics when there is magic in the freakin world? I mean, look at The Demon Mother's Mask(Gods and Magic). I KNOW the things that it lets you interbreed with do NOT have the same number of chromosomes.

Because it amuses us.

[Lord Twitchiopolis]

bookrat wrote:

Lord Twitchiopolis wrote:

Why are we arguing genetics when there is magic in the freakin world? I mean, look at The Demon Mother's Mask(Gods and Magic). I KNOW the things that it lets you interbreed with do NOT have the same number of chromosomes.

Because it amuses us.

Fair enough.

[Yosarian]

Darth Grall wrote:

Cause honestly, DND genetics make no sense. I mean, if you can breed and have offspring that can breed you need the same amount of chromosomes to produce a "stable" off spring(or at least produce an even number so they can pai).

Just think about it this way. In D&D, just like in Star Trek, humans get a special quasi-magical racial ability called "can mate with ANYTHING." And so you get half-elves, half orcs, half ogres, half angels, half demons, half-dragons, half-vampires, half-elementals, and whatever else you can think of. (Just take a look at the sorcerer bloodline list for a minute.) It's just something that humans can do. Which I guess makes sense, since the implication in Tolken was that humans would eventually take over the world just by out-breeding everything else.

[blackbloodtroll]

I love Lamashtu.

She is like a Greek god, trying to breed with everything.

[Aioran]

I can't believe we've not had any mention of dragons and their ability to breed with anything. They easily beat humans in the "can I have sex with it" competition.

[blackbloodtroll]

Don't forget Angels and Demons.

[chip mckenzie]

If it was an orc/elf crossbreed then it might warrant a new half orc/elf crossbreed race. For an orc/half-elf cross I would say use half-orc as I would see the orc side as dominant.

[Atarlost]

Yosarian wrote:

Darth Grall wrote:

Cause honestly, DND genetics make no sense. I mean, if you can breed and have offspring that can breed you need the same amount of chromosomes to produce a "stable" off spring(or at least produce an even number so they can pai).

Just think about it this way. In D&D, just like in Star Trek, humans get a special quasi-magical racial ability called "can mate with ANYTHING." And so you get half-elves, half orcs, half ogres, half angels, half demons, half-dragons, half-vampires, half-elementals, and whatever else you can think of. (Just take a look at the sorcerer bloodline list for a minute.) It's just something that humans can do. Which I guess makes sense, since the implication in Tolken was that humans would eventually take over the world just by out-breeding everything else.

But the sorcerer bloodline list mostly isn't restricted by race so every race in the game can breed with abberations, demons, hags, merfolk, "giant-kin, troll-born, and frost-rimed spirits," celestials, daemons, djinnis, dragons, efreets, elementals, fey, marids, oni, orcs, proteans, rakshasa, "ancient serpent races," natives of the shadow plane, shaitans, and "fierce and proud spirits of storm and sky."

But apparently only humans can breed with "forgotten kings" and only kobolds can breed with kobolds (in spite or kobolds being able to breed with orcs. I guess half-orc-half-kobolds can only breed with kobolds?)

The lack of restriction on the orc bloodlines seems to make them, not humans, the most interfertile humanoids.

[waiph]

On the Sorc thing, I'd say that it doesn't necessarily entail having bread with and be descended from someone. A fey "bloodline" sorc could have been kidnaped by the fey and their magic has so thoroughly suffused their being that they are changed by that magic and become sorcerers. Infernal celestial, etc, I'd call jsut having to have either had parents or ancestors full of that kind of magic, or were touched by it. That said, an Orc Warlord reincarnated into a Kobold reproduced like, well a kobold (i figure they reproduce pretty quick) and eventual the magical power of said warlord manifests, and you get an orc-blood kobold!
=P

[Yosarian]

Quote:

Your bloodline is blessed by a celestial power, either from a celestial ancestor or through divine intervention.

Apparently at least some sorcerers with a celestial bloodline have a celestial ancestor. Most of the other bloodlines are worded in a similar way.

Anyway, we know that some people have some angelic ancestry, since that's where aasimars come from (two human parents, both with some tiny trace of angelic ancestor, occasionally have an assimar baby). Of course then you have to start wonder about how that works; do angels just randomly come to Earth every now and then for one night stands?

[bookrat]

For sorcs, I also like to think of them (or an ancestor) making a contract which infuses the essence into them, rather than breeding.

[blackbloodtroll]

Since interbreeding strange combinations of creatures, to create monstrous offsping is her forte, I would blame Lamashtu for many combos.

Why do you have a Orc/Elf/Marid ancestor? She was a worshiper of Lamashtu, that's why.

[Atarlost]

bookrat wrote:

For sorcs, I also like to think of them (or an ancestor) making a contract which infuses the essence into them, rather than breeding.

By the given fluff, which I assume is Golarion correct, That's only true for the Devil associated bloodline. That's why I listed Demons and Daemons but not Devils.

[Kitsune Knight]

I would tell him to start Half-Elf. Take the Eldritch Heritage feats for the Orc Bloodine and/or wave the human prerequisite on the Racial Heritage and allow him to take it as a Half-Elf and apply it to Orc.