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I basically think the Ninja class would make a good Swashbuckler type character. I am doing this for PFS so there are my restrictions. I am primarilly looking for a way to pick up rapier proficency without wasting a feat on martial weapon proficency. I am also would prefer not to be a half elf (I like them but have several already).
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I basically think the Ninja class would make a good Swashbuckler type character. I am doing this for PFS so there are my restrictions. I am primarilly looking for a way to pick up rapier proficency without wasting a feat on martial weapon proficency. I am also would prefer not to be a half elf (I like them but have several already).
Answers?
How do you feel about being an actual elf? They get rapier prof. for free.
That'd be my vote too, especially as Elves are great for rogues/ninjas.
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There is the Adoptive Parentage racial trait from the Advanced Race Guide. You could be human and gain all of the Elven weapon familiarities including the rapier.
Adoptive Parentage: Humans are sometimes orphaned and adopted by other races. Choose one humanoid race without the human subtype. You start play with that race's languages and gain that race's weapon familiarity racial trait (if any). If the race does not have weapon familiarity, you gain either Skill Focus or Weapon Focus as a bonus feat that is appropriate for that race instead. This racial trait replaces the bonus feat trait.
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There is the Adoptive Parentage racial trait from the Advanced Race Guide. You could be human and gain all of the Elven weapon familiarities including the rapier.
Adoptive Parentage: Humans are sometimes orphaned and adopted by other races. Choose one humanoid race without the human subtype. You start play with that race's languages and gain that race's weapon familiarity racial trait (if any). If the race does not have weapon familiarity, you gain either Skill Focus or Weapon Focus as a bonus feat that is appropriate for that race instead. This racial trait replaces the bonus feat trait.
Huh, didn't see that one. Nice trait!
Tell me you noticed that trait costs a feat >_>
i see a lot of recommendations for half elves, elves, and the adoptive parentage alternate racial trait.
i also bring up a few rather debatable options that might fly if you play a homegame or have the appropriate boon. Unless ARG is suddenly PFS legal
Fetchlings (and other native outsiders) arguably gain proficiency in all martial weapons by virtue of being outsiders. there are some who complain this is too good. but really, it's not much more powerful than weapon familiarity anyway. you are merely giving up free racial exotic weapon choices to have less restriction on martial weapons. but you only have 2 hands. which means at most, you will likely use one or two of these weapons and specialize in its use. this choice is usually made at character creation and requires a social contract with your DM.
Tengu receive swordtrained, which while not exactly named weapon familiarity, serves the same function. this gives you both the entire light blades and heavy blades weapon groups and is more powerful than the native outsider variation because it also opens up the falcata and similar cheese. i don't know if it qualifies in PFS, but a human with adoptive parentage might look into being adopted by tengu for every sword in the game.
multiclass into a class that offers martial weapons, such as trapper ranger to gain trapfinding then go ninja
suck it up and use a Wakazashi. there is nothing wrong with a swashbuckling type character using such a weapon. there are a such thing as oriental pirates or just say you came into contact with an oriental pirate and defeated him.
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I also bring up a few rather debatable options that might fly if you play a homegame or have the appropriate boon. Unless ARG is suddenly PFS legal
Tengu (which you mention) are now PFS-legal without a boon, as are Tieflings and Aasimar, IIRC. Currently Kitsune, Nagaji & Wayangs are PFS-legal with the appropriate boon (much as the three earlier races were last year). You do need relevant 'Additional Resources' (such as the ARG, a Dragon Empires book, or the like). There are also a few other racial boons available, but only under very limited circumstances.
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So you could take the Adopted Social trait, use it to take Adopted Parentage Human Racial Trait and take elf. I'm not saying it's not wacked (and could make sense for say, a Kitsume who was at first thought to be human by the elves who brought him up) but it ould technically work.
So you could take the Adopted Social trait, use it to take Adopted Parentage Human Racial Trait and take elf. I'm not saying it's not wacked (and could make sense for say, a Kitsume who was at first thought to be human by the elves who brought him up) but it ould technically work.
Wrong kind of racial trait. Paizo, please rename one or the other. Please!
Yeah, it's a race trait that replaces the human bonus feat, not a trait from the "racial" category.
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So you could take the Adopted Social trait, use it to take Adopted Parentage Human Racial Trait and take elf. I'm not saying it's not wacked (and could make sense for say, a Kitsume who was at first thought to be human by the elves who brought him up) but it ould technically work.Wrong kind of racial trait. Paizo, please rename one or the other. Please!
Yeah, it's a race trait that replaces the human bonus feat, not a trait from the "racial" category.
Darn, looked at the rules more deeply. I hate it when I think I find a solution only it's not a solution.
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Question: What is it from the ninja class that you think would make a good swashbuckler? I sort of get it, there's a focus on Dex and Cha that's very fitting for a swashbuckler. The biggest drawback would be the ninja's focus on stealth - swashbucklers don't often stealth, they're too busy swashing and buckling!
I wonder if going with the swashbuckler archetype for rogue might yield the best results, as it grants you a free martial weapon proficiency of your choice. You could even take Ki Pool for some Ninja Tricks along the way, should you go down that route. The scout archetype might be a good thing to add around 4th level, as it'll let you make a daring charge at your opponent to gain sneak attack damage. And, like a ninja, you'll have the skill points and class skills to make it as both an agile little monkey and the party face.
(EDIT: As was pointed out to me just now - is it more important to have a rapier or a Cha-based Ki pool?)
Race-wise, I'd suggest human or, seeing as they're now available, aasimar or tiefling. The books Blood of Angels and Blood of Fiends have several PFS-legal subtypes for both races. On the aasimar side, I would suggest Azata-blooded (+2 Dex, +2 Cha, glitterdust 1/day) and Garuda-blooded (+2 Dex, +2 Wis, see invisibility 1/day) and the scion of humanity alternate racial trait. On the tiefling side, I would suggest asura-spawn (+2 Dex, +2 Wis, -2 Int, hideous laughter 1/day) or div-spawn (+2 Dex, +2 Cha, -2 Int, misdirection 1/day) and the
prehensile tail and fiendish sprinter alternate racial traits.
I am glad that there are those that realize the name of a class does not define you.
I applaud you.
You are indeed a vocal champion of this wisdom. I have heard it, and propagate it.
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You are indeed a vocal champion of this wisdom. I have heard it, and propagate it.I am glad that there are those that realize the name of a class does not define you.
I applaud you.
I have seen too many players miss out on playing cool concepts, simply because they cannot look past the name of a class. This makes me sad.
Imagination should be advocated, and celebrated within Pathfinder, not constrained by unneeded limitations.I, myself, never let the name of a class restrain me, and have been known to inspire others to do the same. Some, do not even realize that it is an option. In fact, my current "monk" PC is actually an Inquisitor of Irori.
You've heard of an Elven Curved Sword?
Well, this Wakizashi is a Halfling Curved Sword.
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Question: What is it from the ninja class that you think would make a good swashbuckler? I sort of get it, there's a focus on Dex and Cha that's very fitting for a swashbuckler. The biggest drawback would be the ninja's focus on stealth - swashbucklers don't often stealth, they're too busy swashing and buckling!
Well, stealth is somewhat in a swashbuckler's world. On the other hand, ki/ninja tricks do a good job with expolsions, acrobatics, etc to simulate swashbuckler very well.
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I play a ninja that is not a 'ninja'.
Seen Assassin's Creed?
I play a ninja that is not a 'ninja'.
Seen Assassin's Creed?
That's actually exactly what I did for an AC-based game I'm trying to run here on the forums. Take the ninja, rework a couple options, call it the "Brotherhood Assassin"... et voila!